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  • Jul. 31st, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Fizzgig
Interesting update on the William Sanders/Helix mess from a while back. A number of authors (it looks like fifteen) have chosen to make their Helix-published work available at Transcriptase. Some have removed their work from Helix, while others have chosen to let it remain (for a variety of reasons, including obligation, Sanders' refusal to remove the stories -- which he is within his rights to do, or because they still love the magazine). The author statements are also worth reading.

Reaction to this mess has been interesting. The blogosphere has been pretty strong in its condemnation. In another area, I've watched discussion begin with "What's the big deal" and devolve into people making slut/ho jokes. And in Sanders' newsgroup, I've seen accusations that the only people getting worked up over this are wannabe losers trying to make themselves feel important. To that last accusation, I think it's worth noting some of the names involved in Transcriptase, including Eugie Foster, Jennifer Pelland, Beth Bernobich, and Janis Ian, among others. The author statements are worth reading as well, and I think it's important to note the range of reactions.

Would write more, but I've got a book deadline in 24 hours.

ETA: First paragraph edited to try to reduce my own biases. Thanks, [info]shsilver.

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[info]shsilver wrote:
Jul. 31st, 2008 03:06 pm (UTC)
You note that some of the authors at Transcriptase left their work up at Helix either out of obligation or because they couldn't get it taken down. You seem to ignore that fact that those aren't the only reasons. Jennifer Pelland notes that she left it up because "But I’m also happy to have my stories remain in the Helix archives alongside so many wonderful authors’ wonderful works. I still love the magazine."

And many of the authors at Transcriptase have not (as of this writing) declared any reason for either leaving their story up or participating in the new project.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Jul. 31st, 2008 03:09 pm (UTC)
Fair enough. I've edited that paragraph. Thanks!
[info]beth_bernobich wrote:
Jul. 31st, 2008 03:10 pm (UTC)
Many of us decided that the general statement was sufficient. Some might decide to add their own statements later. (Me, for example.)

[info]michaeldthomas wrote:
Jul. 31st, 2008 03:13 pm (UTC)
From what I read, Helix seems like a great webzine. I can't imagine many other outlets publishing something like [info]jenwrites's "Captive Girl." It's a shame that this controversy overshadows that.

I guess I can still seperate the artist from the art. OSC's crazy rants againt gay marriage doesn't change the fact that I loved Ender's Game. Likewise, Sanders's views don't change the fact that Helix was publishing some wonderful stuff.


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[info]rachel_swirsky wrote:
Jul. 31st, 2008 03:21 pm (UTC)
There was only a period of like 2 days in which to remove stories and poems... though I admit I probably wouldn't have done it anyway, mostly out of feeling it wasn't a very effective form of protest. (Though I don't criticize those who chose to have their work removed, of course.)

I didn't contribute a statement, but I have growled about this in other fora. As someone whose primary work is fiction who published only a poem in Helix, I feel that my investment in the situation is less than that of a lot of other involved authors, so I generally prefer to defer to their lead.

I may add links to my livejournal and political blogging posts about the subject, the most recent of which is here.
[info]michaeldthomas wrote:
Jul. 31st, 2008 03:06 pm (UTC)
It's a nice new website. I just read [info]jenwrites's "Captive Girl." Wow.

Hopefully, this means that a bunch of great authors will no longer get punished for the idiocy of their editor.

I gave up trying to read Sanders's side of the story when he decided to say that [info]tobiasbuckell supports terrorism. His gonzo Hunter S. Thompson knock-off persona quickly gets tiring.





[info]jimhines wrote:
Jul. 31st, 2008 03:11 pm (UTC)
My brain is sleep this morning -- what kind of punishment do you mean?
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[info]nick_kaufmann wrote:
Jul. 31st, 2008 03:10 pm (UTC)
Interesting stuff. Thanks for the link.

Having followed this debacle from the start, I can't believe how Sanders continued to shoot himself in the foot, over and over again, until he finally truly became the boogeyman he swore he wasn't. And all out of embarrassment at being caught, really. If he had simply apologized and explained what he meant, none of this would have happened.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Jul. 31st, 2008 03:13 pm (UTC)
It's a little mind-boggling. I keep comparing it to Sean Wallace, who responded to criticism of Prime by actually taking the complaints seriously and trying to offer explanations and apologies where appropriate.
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[info]antonstrout wrote:
Jul. 31st, 2008 03:10 pm (UTC)
Book deadline? What a perfect time to challenge you to a Facebook game of Word Twist!!
[info]jimhines wrote:
Jul. 31st, 2008 03:11 pm (UTC)
But then when will I have time to finish planning the wedding? You still haven't gotten back to me about the cake, by the way...
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(Anonymous) wrote:
Jul. 31st, 2008 04:23 pm (UTC)
Actually, I don't submit stories to Orson Scott Card's Intergalatic Medicine Show. I just don't want to go there, with that guy.

Margaret Yang
[info]brashley46 wrote:
Jul. 31st, 2008 05:02 pm (UTC)
When I get home from work tonight, I will have something to say about this ... right now, though, I will say that a) William is not a racist, darnit, and b) some people willfully misinterpret what he says, and some have done so for years.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Jul. 31st, 2008 05:05 pm (UTC)
I'll be interested to read your thoughts. I don't know the man personally, so all I've had to go on are his words, both the original letter and his responses to those who challenged him.
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[info]pendamuse wrote:
Jul. 31st, 2008 06:23 pm (UTC)
It's not just his words but his actions.

He got called on what he said and then responded like a feral 8-year old.

The fact that he's been this way "for years" speaks volumes about the sci-fi/spec/fantasy genre and how this issue has erupted like it has..

"That's just our Bill" isn't how people should deal with this kind of behavior.

I also look forward to your post.
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[info]steve_buchheit wrote:
Jul. 31st, 2008 05:26 pm (UTC)
Crack that whip! Used to have a poster called, "Deadline." It was a photo of a smoking revolver in place of a phone handset. Love that poster.
[info]rhondaparrish wrote:
Jul. 31st, 2008 06:03 pm (UTC)
Wow. Just wow. How did I miss all this?

*goes back to reading*
[info]jimhines wrote:
Jul. 31st, 2008 06:11 pm (UTC)
It got a decent amount of play in the blogosphere. I posted one entry about it here, but I'd probably suggest Tobias' blog as worth reading first.
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[info]brashley46 wrote:
Aug. 1st, 2008 12:33 am (UTC)
Re: the "refusal" to pull stories off the Helix website, Sanders does not maintain that website himself; the person who does is a professional, full-time web designer, who donates her time to the mag. If anybody were prepared to pay her for the time and effort to totally delete his or her story at her professional rates, William was willing for that to happen.

As a website maintainer myself ( http://ndpsocialists.ca ) I can appreciate the work involved in restructuring a webzine to completely withdraw a story. It's more than just hitting the delete key.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Aug. 1st, 2008 01:12 am (UTC)
On 7/14 at 9:00 pm, Sanders posted in his newsgroup that he would remove stories at the authors' requests.

On 7/15 at 1:00 am, he changed this offer to require $40.

On 7/16 at 8:45 pm, he posted again, saying "It's been long enough ... I don't believe there are going to be any others (the imposition of cash charges seems to have had a distinctly damping effect) but if there are, tough shit."

He provided a 48-hour window for authors to remove their stories, and anyone who missed that window is out of luck.

Given that situation, I feel comfortable naming his "refusal" as one possible reason some Transcriptase authors may still have stories posted at Helix.
[info]pats_quinade wrote:
Aug. 1st, 2008 03:09 am (UTC)
As a former website maintainer myself, I can appreciate that trying to extort money out of the writers by saying that it's incredibly hard to remove files is darn silly. A web dude or dudette who insists that it's going to take a ton of time to remove files is being disingenuous with a blogosphere that comprises a lot of people who know better.
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[info]beth_bernobich wrote:
Aug. 1st, 2008 02:47 pm (UTC)
Melanie Fletcher is a regular member of the Helix staff. As such, she shares in all the profits from the donations. Several staff members do return their quarterly shares, I know. You'll have to ask her if she is one of them.

I would also disagree that it's difficult to remove a story. Dreamweaver (which is the package Melanie uses) makes it breathtakingly easy to delete or rearrange pages.
[info]michaeldthomas wrote:
Aug. 1st, 2008 01:35 am (UTC)
So, Jim, what are you planning for tomorrow? ;)

I'm thinking Larry Niven.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Aug. 1st, 2008 01:41 am (UTC)
Oh, harumph. Two posts in a row does not a trend make :-P

I remember catching that "Spanish rumormongering" bit a while back. As I recall it got some decent mockery, though not the same level of anger as Card and Sanders have received lately.

I had actually been hoping to make a fun little announcement tomorrow, but the contracts still haven't shown up. So instead you'll probably just get me freaking out about last-minute fixes to the mermaid book.
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(Anonymous) wrote:
Aug. 1st, 2008 06:25 pm (UTC)
Dear God!
Okay...I'd read some weird stuff about Niven before...but this?

We've got to start checking the water; judging from the behavior, something's clearly gotten into our supply lately!

Greg W.

P.S. Congrats on finishing Mermaid, Jim!

G.
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