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Research Time Again

  • Sep. 24th, 2008 at 1:13 PM
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Over at SF Novelists, I chat about Writers and The Crazy. My conclusion? We're all frakking nuts.

I'm pretty much finished with part one of Red Hood's Revenge. Actually, I think I may have been finished with this part a week ago. The past 5000 words or so have been all about getting from one place to the next. I suspect a lot of that will get condensed in revisions, though I kind of like today's bit. But this means I can't procrastinate anymore. If we're going to another land, I need to get my butt in gear and actually do some worldbuilding.

This is both difficult and fun. Difficult, because it's research. I'm not going to put them in a true-to-life version of Alaska, for example. But I also don't want all of my cultures and lands to look and sound and smell the same. That means reading about other cultures, other times, and finding inspiration in experiences not my own. This can be tricky. I still struggle with the difference between trying to create a realistic balance of cultures in a fantasy world vs. appropriating or even stereotyping other cultures.

Arathea, where part two will take place, is a desert land. So last night I started reading about Egypt. I'm not trying to make Arathea into a fantasy version of Egypt; rather, I'm trying to learn what the people need to do and be aware of in order to survive and thrive in this environment. What kind of buildings work best. What's most important? How does farming work? What are the dangers? If all goes well, I'll be doing some reading on other desert-based cultures as well, learning from them all and using that knowledge to figure out the culture of Arathea.

Sadly, this means Sly Mongoose may be the last book I read for pleasure for a while. I went through this phase in the last book as well, setting aside fiction to read up on ocean zones and marine life and everything else I could find to help make my mermaids more realistic. It's work, but it's also fun. Even reading the first few chapters on Egypt last night left me with new ideas for Arathea, and in the end I hope it will make for a stronger book.

And they say fantasy doesn't require research. Pbbt!



Reading
Sly Mongoose, by Tobias Buckell
Amazon | Mysterious Galaxy
  Writing
Red Hood's Revenge


 

Comments

[info]stillnotbored wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 05:55 pm (UTC)
Of course writers are nuts. It's what makes us all special snowflakes. :)

Anyone who says fantasy doesn't require research hasn't written a fantasy book. I spent almost half an hour online one night researching the average thickness of city walls in a certain time period so I could write one sentence. I spend hours and hours researching all my books, mostly so I don't look like an idiot.

And if you haven't thought of it, the Gobi Desert is one of the coolest deserts ever. Totally different climate than Egypt, but still a desert.

[info]jimhines wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 06:02 pm (UTC)
It can be pretty bad sometimes. I've only got my one-hour block during lunch, and it's so hard to keep from hopping online to look up mushrooms or dolpin penises or some other random and bizarre detail that will help me improve a scene, because if I do that, I quickly find I've spent the whole lunch break researching and haven't actually written anything. (I try to gloss those over and fit the research into other times.)

Gobi Desert. Got it - thanks!
[info]beckyh2112 wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 06:02 pm (UTC)
One thing to remember when you're researching desert cultures is that the Nile's impact on life in Egypt is inescapable. A friend of mine was trying to figure out how to do 'Egypt with the serial numbers scrubbed off' for a fantasy, and after all her research, she came to the conclusion that you cannot have Egypt without the Nile.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 06:04 pm (UTC)
Yep. Without that big old water supply, you've got a very different environment indeed. I suspect we'll have one or two major rivers playing a similar role in Arathea.
[info]guinwhyte wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 06:18 pm (UTC)
I don't think there's a desert civilization that didn't look at water source as a top priority. All the early settlements I can think of here in the desert southwest were focused on that (Phoenix has a river, Tucson has two, Yuma's on/near the Colorado River). (Side note: the army built Fort Lowell near the Rillito River here in the late 1800's, and pissed off a whole bunch of farmers because it was prime ranch/farm land.)

Buildings, definitely take into account that in a lot of desert areas (particularly "low" desert) there's not a lot of wood (and what there is tends to be stunted and twisted, not suitable for building). Adobe (mud bricks, with a little straw to help them hold together) was a major building material here until the 20th century, and is still in use. Any wood Tucson had in the early days had to be brought down from the mountains surrounding us. (See icon for dilapidated view of an adobe house. This was one of the officer's quarters at Fort Lowell.)

I guess it depends on what sort of region you're choosing. The US has a lot of what is technically desert that is tree-rich and gets snow in the winter (sections of Southern Utah and northern Arizona, parts of Colorado, central Washington), but that's not what leaps to mind when most people think of "desert."
[info]guinwhyte wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 06:19 pm (UTC)
And oh yeah, originally the roofs were packed dirt too. Dirt roofs + torrential summer rains = not so much fun.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 06:21 pm (UTC)
I lived in northern Nevada for a year, which was an interesting experience. Desert, but very different from what you'd expect. (In fact, part of the next scene will be Danielle arriving and looking around, all confused. "I thought it would just be a bunch of sand!")
[info]guinwhyte wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 06:28 pm (UTC)
Yep. I had a friend who moved here from England when she was in her teens, and that's actually what she expected. Instead, she got the continual dusting routine, because that's what is constantly in the air. Nothing stays clean. (Which is why I gave up on dusting altogether...)

Sorry for the long-windedness up there. Right now I'm hooked into learning all I can about 1880's Tucson so all this (probably useless) information is foremost in my brain.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 06:31 pm (UTC)
Useless information is the best kind, at least for writers :-)

When we go up north to Michigan's upper penninsula every summer, the dirt and dust are reddish because of the incredibly high iron content. It's another useless detail, but one that would be great for a story.
[info]guinwhyte wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 06:37 pm (UTC)
Monument Valley is full of red dust. If you are driving through and stop on the side of the dirt road to take pictures, you step out and sink about an inch into the red dust collected there. It covered our car by the time we rolled all the way through. (Sedona is famous for the red rocks, but Monument Valley has about as much of it, and more of the dust.) Just to reinforce the possibly-useless-but-fun detail. :P
[info]jimhines wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 06:38 pm (UTC)
But those are exactly the details that bring a new setting to life!
[info]controuble wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 08:21 pm (UTC)
Useless Michigan information dump: take a glass of Michigan tap water and set it on the table next to a magnet overnight (or even just for a couple of hours). Amazing amounts of iron will migrate to the side of the glass where the magnet sits.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 08:24 pm (UTC)
Don't know if that would work for us. Lansing water is supposed to be one of the cleanest in the country. But I'll try to remember to do this next summer when we're up north. Could be fun! And mildly disturbing :-)
[info]guinwhyte wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 09:59 pm (UTC)
Just means you'd never have to pay for iron supplements. ;)
[info]controuble wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 06:17 pm (UTC)
The bulk of the Sahara is West of Egypt - well away from the Nile and its influence, so you might want to look into that, too.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 06:20 pm (UTC)
So noted, thanks. But where do I find that marvelous cat-shaped mountain?
[info]controuble wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 06:26 pm (UTC)
I got it in an email and saved it - there was nothing saying where it exists or if it was just something made in PhotoShop.
You are welcome to use it as a landmark if you like.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 06:30 pm (UTC)
I would guess Photoshop, but Google didn't give me anything specific when I looked around.
[info]michaeldthomas wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 06:34 pm (UTC)
And they say fantasy doesn't require research. Pbbt!

A friend of mine is writing a reader's advisory guide to Science Fiction. I was helping him come up with a definition of "Science Fiction" when I stumbled on this charming quote from John W. Campbell, "The major distinction between fantasy and science fiction is, simply, that science fiction uses one, or a very, very few new postulates, and develops the rigidly consistent logical consequences of these limited postulates. Fantasy makes its rules as it goes along...The basic nature of fantasy is "The only rule is, make up a new rule any time you need one!" The basic rule of science fiction is "Set up a basic proposition--then develop its consistent, logical consequences."
Introduction, Analog 6, Garden City, New York, 1966

Obviously, you are doing something wrong. ;)
[info]jimhines wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 06:38 pm (UTC)
I'd be willing to cut a little slack here, given that the genre was a little different back in '66. How different is something I'm not well-read enough to say for certain.

Still worthy of a sporking, though.
[info]aliettedb wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 06:39 pm (UTC)
And they say fantasy doesn't require research. Pbbt!
Hum, I currently have ten books stacked at the foot of my desk--and that's just those I need on a regular basis...

(and yeah, what's already been said: be careful about the overimportance of the Nile in Egyptian culture. You might want to check out other nomad cultures like the Tuaregs to see what different people tried to adapt to desertic conditions).
[info]jimhines wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 07:37 pm (UTC)
Yep, I've got a whole mini-library of research books, some of which I've used a lot, some of which I've never touched ... yet. But you never know :-)
[info]dfable wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 07:26 pm (UTC)
Fantasy doesn't require research? What kind of fantasy are we talking about? Certainly not the writing kind. ; )
[info]jimhines wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 07:38 pm (UTC)
ALL fantasies can be improved through good research :-)
[info]branchandroot wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 10:21 pm (UTC)
But the research is half the fun! *says the acafan*

I think borrowing cultural models without the mythological models could be very cool. Unlike a Certain Author who did it the other way around; that came out very peculiarly.

Of course, if you want to poke around at the verge between the two, I can recommend Daily Lives of the Egyptian Gods by Meeks and Favard-Meeks. It's very good for the sociological mindset. Heavy scholarly language, though.
[info]marycatelli wrote:
Sep. 24th, 2008 11:35 pm (UTC)
that is, when it's not so much fun that it's vacuuming the cat.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Sep. 25th, 2008 02:26 pm (UTC)
Acafan = Academic/Fan hybrid?

I've already got some religious/mythological stuff lined up, so I really can't do too much with what's already there. Though I am expecting some of the hardcore Christian extremists to ban me by the time book three comes out...
[info]thewallflower00 wrote:
Sep. 25th, 2008 02:11 pm (UTC)
What books on ocean zones and marine life did you use for Mermaid's Madness?
[info]jimhines wrote:
Sep. 25th, 2008 02:16 pm (UTC)
Aw, crap. You had to ask that, didn't you.

The best one was a fairly in-depth book whose title completely escapes me. (This was about a year ago.) Argh! It's the book I was reading in this picture, but Toby cropped out the actual book!
[info]gailcarriger wrote:
Sep. 25th, 2008 03:59 pm (UTC)
World building is my favorite part of writing, in fact I get distracted into doing that instead of the actual story. However, I do get annoyed when I am derailed by having to come up with a gadget of some kind in the middle a scene. Which is also a kind of world building I suppose.
[info]mikaela_l wrote:
Sep. 25th, 2008 06:32 pm (UTC)
I am a bit weird, and I was poking around the non-fiction area a while ago, and bought Understanding Ancient Civilizations by Trigger ( Cant remember his first name). It is a gold mine, since it compares seven different civilisations and Egypt is one of them . Highly recommended :)