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The Dangers of Switching Series

  • Nov. 20th, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Damsels Causing Distress
I get a lot of people asking whether I intend to write another book about Jig the goblin. It's flattering, and I love that there are readers who enjoyed the books so much they want me to write more. I almost feel guilty telling them I'm concentrating on the princess novels for a while, and if I write a fourth goblin book it probably wouldn't be out for at least five years.

There's no one right way to build a career. I occasionally wonder if I made a mistake by switching to a new series. Goblin War [Amazon | Mysterious Galaxy] sold better than either of the earlier books, suggesting that the series was beginning to take off. Would a fourth book have done even better? Was I on the cusp of a goblin explosion which would have made me rich and famous beyond my wildest dreams?

There's no way to guess. I'm hoping the new series will build on the success of the old, but the real reason I switched is because I was done with Jig's story, at least for the time being. It wasn't a marketing decision, but a story decision*. Like most decisions, this one has its costs.

One of the managers here at work tells me his young son is bemoaning the fact that I'm now writing about girls. Another reader has said flat-out that he doesn't intend to read this wacky princess stuff. I've also noticed my first rating for the new book over on LibraryThing. Four stars from a fairly well-known reviewer who loved the goblin books and gave them all five-star ratings. Four stars isn't a bad rating, but I winced to see the drop. And while my German publisher did buy Stepsister (Yay!), I suspect the advance would have been significantly larger for a fourth goblin book.

On the other hand, Romantic Times has named The Stepsister Scheme [Amazon | Mysterious Galaxy] one of their Top Picks for January, giving it a 4.5 star** review which says, among other things, "Hines' strength in his brilliantly plotted, cleverly imaginative book is character concepts and interactions. The action never stops, and the characters are painstakingly real. Readers will laugh and find the tale is over before they're ready to finish reading." And my agent checked a local Barnes & Noble and found that their ordering numbers on Stepsister are almost triple what they were for one of the goblin books. So there are positive signs as well.

What does it all mean? Who the heck knows. Ask me a year after the book comes out, and maybe I'll have a clue. The B&N numbers are encouraging, if they holds true for the whole chain (and we're extrapolating from one store here, so statistically, it's not that significant yet). My gut feeling is that this series is better overall, and should reach a wider audience. The crappy economy might hurt overall sales, but there's nothing I can do about that.

I will lose some readers. That stings, and I feel bad about it, but not bad enough to change course. And I think most readers understand, even if they miss Jig and Smudge. I'm hopeful that I'll gain more readers than I lose, that readers will love these characters and stories as much as they have the goblins, and that sales will increase at least enough to justify DAW continuing to buy books from me.

In the end, I'm happy with my choice, and I'm enjoying the chance to write new characters in a new world. I think it was the right choice for me. But that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to obsess about it!

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*I'm not saying marketing decisions are bad. If marketing is the only factor you're considering, that could be a problem ... but even then, who am I to judge? If you write a potboiler for cash, and it's a decent book that people enjoy, then go you! I've also learned it's pretty normal to discuss various book possibilities with your agent and/or editor so that you can all decide together which one has the best chance of selling. (Gasp! You mean publishing is a business?) So far, I've been fortunate enough to be able to write two series that I love, purely because I love the stories. Who knows what will happen when it's time to start something new again.

**Romantic Times never gives five stars.

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[info]shogunhb wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 03:56 pm (UTC)
I, for one, am looking forward to the new series. I enjoyed reading about Jig. When and if you write another in that series, I'll pick it up and read it, but I've burned out on some of my favorite series over the years as authors crank out sequel after sequel. I'm glad you're doing something else before it happens with the Goblin series. So do something else, make it great, and maybe give us a new Jig novel in a half decade or so.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 04:00 pm (UTC)
Thanks! I feel similarly about some of my favorite authors. There are a few people who can keep a series going indefinitely. Pratchett comes to mind ... but even he does so by moving to other characters and other situations.

And if all else fails, maybe I'll still find time to crank out the occasional goblin short story :-)
[info]dragonmyst wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 03:58 pm (UTC)
I think my nieces would love that book, if it's any consolation. :)
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 04:01 pm (UTC)
It is, actually. If I can find two princess fans for every angry goblin reader who vows never to read another Hines book, it's a big win :-)
[info]michaeldthomas wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 04:00 pm (UTC)
I think it's important that an author writes the things that they want to write. If you squeezed out a bunch of Jig books just to make money, the fans would catch on and leave since the quality of the books would certainly suffer.

I believe that the princess books will be huge. I know we're planning on buying multiple copies. :)
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 04:03 pm (UTC)
You know, I don't necessarily think the quality would have to suffer. I know there's a belief that a book written for love will be better than one written for money, and I think generally that's going to be true, but not necessarily.

Example: Neil Gaiman could write a novel inspired by cat boogers, purely for the cash, and it would still probably be better than I'd do on a book written purely for love :-)

In my case though, I do think I write better when I love what I'm writing. (The short story I'm working on will *hopefully* be a case in point, if it doesn't crash and burn in the next few days...)
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[info]timakers wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 04:00 pm (UTC)
I had this talk with my editor while I was pitching Heart of Veridon. We moved it from a solo book to a series (a serial, actually) and that changed some of the plot stuff I had originally proposed. I felt a little strange about it at the time, but now I'm glad because it's clear to me that I'm not finished with this narrative space.

On the Princess series, I think it's a good business decision that happens to be a good story decision. There are more female readers of fantasy, at all age levels, than male. But the important thing is that you love what you're writing. All that matters, in the end.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 04:08 pm (UTC)
"I had this talk with my editor while I was pitching Heart of Veridon. We moved it from a solo book to a series (a serial, actually) and that changed some of the plot stuff I had originally proposed. I felt a little strange about it at the time, but now I'm glad because it's clear to me that I'm not finished with this narrative space."

You know, it's weird working with editors ... sometimes they've been doing this for so long that they see things about our work we hadn't even considered. Sounds like they might have been right about the story as well as the business side?

Series definitely seem to do better for an author, which I suspect could be tough for someone dedicated to standalones. Fortunately, that's not me :-)

I've definitely considered the high number of female readers. It wasn't the reason for writing the series, but it should (hopefully) be a bonus.
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[info]barbarienne wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 04:06 pm (UTC)
I applaud you, Jim. I've long held the theory that a series cannot hold beyond a limited number of books, and it's a foolish, short-sighted author who writes themselves into that box. Actors' careers suffer when they are typecast. Investment portfolios with insufficient diversity have higher risk of loss. And authors who milk a single cash cow find she starts to run dry eventually.

There's nothing to stop you writing another Jig novel or series later on, if you suddenly get one clawing at the inside of your brain. Heck, wait ten or fifteen years, build a bigger and more diverse fan base, and then come out with a new Jig novel. You'll get the whole "Jim Hines returns to his classic world!" promo, and repackaging on the goblin backlist. :-)
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 04:12 pm (UTC)
There's an idea. DAW has done a few omnibus releases of other authors' earlier works recently. And I do have an unused goblin title still nagging me from the corner of my brain...
[info]mrissa wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 04:07 pm (UTC)
I think after three books is about the right time to demonstrate that you can write something different at novel length. I feel a little sorry for J. K. Rowling, because she did seven of one thing, and now there's a lot of pressure on her to do more of the same, and I suspect that she wanted to become a writer at least as much as she wanted to become a billionaire. (Possibly I am projecting.)
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 04:19 pm (UTC)
I certainly wouldn't mind becoming a billionaire. Heck, I'll settle for millionaire :-)

It looks to me like Rowling really loved the characters and their stories, and I couldn't guess whether she's continuing to put out Potter-related material because she feels pressured or because she isn't ready to leave yet.

Financially, she can write whatever she wants, and people will throw money at her. But artistically and in terms of reader response, it would be incredibly hard to follow the HP series.
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[info]cathschaffstump wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 04:14 pm (UTC)
What [info]mrissa said. You don't want to be pigeon holed, and you are a very versatile writer. Most people probably don't even know how good a serious writer you are, let alone seeing you go in a new comedic direction!

Also, the stories tell you what to do. If you don't listen to the stories, you're in trouble. You can't get water from a dry well.

Catherine

Edited at 2008-11-20 04:15 pm (UTC)
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 04:21 pm (UTC)
Thanks!

The princesses are one step more serious than the goblin books, I think. Maybe one and a half steps in a few scenes...

The agent did advise me to stick with light/humorous fantasy for a while as I was building my readership. Thinking back, that did result in one project being back-burnered. I had forgotten that one. (The agent hated that project, and I admit it wasn't ready and would need a lot of work.)
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[info]paulskemp wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 04:17 pm (UTC)
but the real reason I switched is because I was done with Jig's story, at least for the time being.

That's definitely the time to get off.

I hope it all works out for you, Jim, both creatively and commercially.

Paul
[info]j_cheney wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 04:40 pm (UTC)
Sometimes you just have to move on....
[info]jtglover wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 05:05 pm (UTC)
I will lose some readers. That stings, and I feel bad about it, but not bad enough to change course.

But will you really lose them? You're still a good writer with a style that's won you fans. Because lunchtime is near and I won't get to eat for another hour, here's a food analogy:

Just because you're switching from cooking Mexican to Italian for a while, and some folks don't like Italian, it doesn't mean they don't like your cooking. They just don't like marinara. Maybe they'll give Italian a brief try, because they like your cooking, but even if they still can't stand it, they'll be there when you go back to Mexican. And maybe when you switch over to Moroccan they'll be all "ooh, I can't stand lasagna, but I love me some tagine, and I like Jim's cooking generally, so..."

I also agree with posters who don't want to see you typecast. Good on you for diversifying.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 06:02 pm (UTC)
Actually, I reposted this entry over on MySpace, and the very first comment was from someone saying he had enjoyed the goblin books, but didn't plan on picking up the princess series.

Which is fine, and he has every right to make that choice.

I do hope that most people will at least taste the new book to see if they like it. (Maybe try that nice free sample chapter I posted on the web site!) Hopefully some of them will decide they do like Italian after all.

I just hope my writing skills are better than my cooking, because otherwise I'm in serious trouble.
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[info]msjellybean wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 05:57 pm (UTC)
Wow. I'm impressed. You're moving up the ladder there, sir. Just remember the little people who knew you back when...
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 06:04 pm (UTC)
What little people? It's all about me and my world-famous peeps from now on, baby!
[info]sartorias wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 06:42 pm (UTC)
If you didn't have an idea for Jig, you were SMART not to force something. I'm in the process of reading Stepsister. It shares some issues that GQ did but I think it's going to do just fine.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 07:49 pm (UTC)
Ya know, one of the most prickly parts of this gig is knowing people are reading your work, but having to wait another month or two before you can start to find out what they think! :-P
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(Anonymous) wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 07:07 pm (UTC)
Changing series
Well, I for one am quite glad you're switching. I stumbled onto your writing through a short story which I really enjoyed but was a bit disappointed when I discovered all your published books were about goblins. It's just a personal preference but I'm not really a goblins/orcs/etc reader. So I'm really excited about the series and am looking forward to reading a whole book of your writing. Plus I really like princesses... being a girl. ;)
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 08:35 pm (UTC)
Re: Changing series
I'm glad to hear it! Do you mind if I ask which story it was?
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[info]cedunkley wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 07:31 pm (UTC)
I'll start of by saying I have not read your Goblin books yet. (They are on my books I expected to read in 2009 list.)

Having said that, to anyone who is thinking of walking away and not giving The Stepsister Scheme a chance, I would like to lay down a challenge to them:

Go and read the first chapter which is available here online and then come back here and explain why you aren't hooked and now impatiently awaiting the book's publication?

Normally, while I have always been a fan of fairy tales (Sleeping Beauty being my favorite of the Disney versions) I would normally never think of buying a book like this. Yet, through Jim's blog I became interested in his writing and decided to give the preview chapter a read. And now I'm one of those impatiently waiting for the book to come out.

Edited at 2008-11-20 07:34 pm (UTC)
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 08:35 pm (UTC)
::Grin::
[info]chris_gerrib wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 07:46 pm (UTC)
You're always going to have readers that pick and choose what books they buy from you. For example, I like John Scalzi, but am not buying "Zoe's Tale." (I know what happens). I like Elizabeth Moon, but don't read her fantasy stuff.

You the author gotta write what you want.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 08:34 pm (UTC)
Yep. You'll never please everyone, and you can make yourself crazy trying. And personally, I'm already well-stocked on crazy...
[info]dsgood wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 07:51 pm (UTC)
In my experience, fiction series done over many years mostly fall into two categories: 1) Read the early books, don't bother with the rest. 2) Read the middle books, don't bother with the earlier and later ones.

One problem not mentioned so far: writers who change, and rework their backgrounds to fit. "Those early books are insufficiently feminist; I must explain that women's magic isn't really weaker than men's magic." "Hey, I can tie all of my story backgrounds together!"
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 08:32 pm (UTC)
That's an interesting point about retconning earlier works or trying to shift the story to match a changing ideology. I'm sure some of that is natural, if you spend enough time on a series.

And you've discovered my secret. My very last book will be the one where I reveal that all the other books are secretly ROLE PLAYING GAMES being played by an AUTHOR who then goes and sits down at his computer to WRITE THOSE VERY BOOKS! It will be brilliant!

Or not...
[info]garlikmongere wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 08:28 pm (UTC)
Well, I picked up the middle book of the goblin series to read from the library (and I only grabbed it because I didn't realize it was part of a series, and I was looking for stand alone books). I'm still planning to read the other goblin books, someday, but I'll be checking them out from the library.

I am, however, planning to buy the stepsister book, which probably means the whole series as it comes out. :)
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 20th, 2008 08:30 pm (UTC)
I'm just happy to hear your library had the goblin books. (Though I certainly won't object if you want to buy Stepsister ;-)
[info]charlesatan wrote:
Nov. 21st, 2008 12:00 am (UTC)
Hi Jim! I'm actually looking forward to Stepsister Scheme.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 21st, 2008 03:27 pm (UTC)
Thanks! The general reaction has been pretty positive, regardless of gender. So I'm hopeful that the Yays will outnumber the Nays :-)
[info]amusingmuse wrote:
Nov. 21st, 2008 01:07 am (UTC)
De-lurking....

I am actually happy you're writing about gasp girls. I picked up the Goblin book for my husband. I didn't think it was my style, but seemed right up his alley. After he read it, I tried it and liked it a lot. (I don't like silly fantasy, but I do like amusing/funny fantasy.)

I read with either male or female lead character, but that's apparently normal for females. I remember reading about YA fiction, that boys will only read books about boys and girls will read books about boys or girls. So the mantra was 'make your protagonist male' unless it's specifically geared for females. It became clear why I had to scour the shelves for an adventure book with a female protagonist! Contemporary runaway teens being preyed on by society, no problem. Strong female leads in a fantasy setting? Well, I found a good bit, but they don't match the number of books with farm boy becomes king. ;)

Re-cloaking.......
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 21st, 2008 03:30 pm (UTC)
I've heard that as well, that female readers are much more open about the protagonist's gender than male readers are. Which makes sense, as male readers have such a wider range of books with male heroes, whereas a female reader who only reads female-lead fantasy ends up missing 90% of the genre (to use a completely made-up number that may or may not be accurate).

I see things changing these days, which is good, but I'd like it to change more, and not just with regards to gender. I've heard the same "Make your protagonist male" about race. Big Name Author explaining how your hero had better be white, or else you'll never make it as an author.

Of course, my first books had a blue protagonist, so I don't know how that fits into the picture...
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[info]sylvia_rachel wrote:
Nov. 21st, 2008 01:56 am (UTC)
the real reason I switched is because I was done with Jig's story, at least for the time being.

That's the best reason I can think of for taking a break from it.

Now, me, much as I adore Jig, Smudge et al., I'm looking forward to getting me some Princess books. (But I'm well known for following authors I like on long cross-genre treks.) I would never say no to another Miles Vorkosigan book, but I've also loved everything else Lois McMaster Bujold has written; similarly, if I secretly hope there will be more goblin books some day, that doesn't mean your next several projects won't be just as much fun as the goblinverse :). I think fans who get snippy because writers switch gears are just ... silly people. If you've liked someone's writing in the past, you should at least give their next thing a chance.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 21st, 2008 03:35 pm (UTC)
I think it would be nice if readers were willing to at least try out a writer's new projects. At the same time, when I was younger, I had almost zero awareness of author. I just liked fantasy and SF with certain styles of cover art, as well as some of the media books. I wouldn't even have known an author was writing something new. So I'm not holding it against anyone who decides not to try Stepsister...

...but I still hope they do.
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[info]sylvia_rachel wrote:
Nov. 21st, 2008 01:58 am (UTC)
Oh, also: DH wants me to tell you, in case no one has ever suggested this before, that he thinks the goblin books would make kick-ass graphic novels.

Just sayin' ;^).
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 21st, 2008 03:31 pm (UTC)
I agree completely! Now all we need to do is convince the nice folks over at Marvel or DC...
[info]shanrina wrote:
Nov. 21st, 2008 03:35 am (UTC)
I'll definitely be buying a copy of Stepsister Scheme when I know I have the funds for it, and I'm hoping that time comes sooner rather than later because I'm really looking forward to it.

I'm really glad to hear you talk about doing things for the sake of the story and not just for money. I'd love to see another Jig book someday, but I'd rather it be when you were really ready to write one instead of something you just wrote because the goblin books sold well.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 21st, 2008 03:33 pm (UTC)
Thanks! And believe me, I understand the budget thing. (Just paid my wife's grad. school tuition bill. ::Wince::) I've started grabbing more books from the library these days...

You know, I'm really curious how different a Jig book would be if I wrote it 10 years from now. How much I'll have changed as a writer and a person, and how that might influence the story. Of course, I'll have two teenagers at that point, so I'll have plenty of data for writing about goblin-like behavior.
[info]halspacejock wrote:
Nov. 21st, 2008 09:03 am (UTC)
If you want another viewpoint, rest assured I also wonder about my stubborn persistance with the Hal books.

Would it be better for me to start another series? Who knows? It's not going to happen in any case, because I enjoy what I'm doing and I'm happy to wait for the rest of the planet to catch up.

The danger with an ongoing series is that booksellers start reducing their orders for each book. There's a tipping point after which the publisher will say 'what else do you have?', and that's when I'd come up empty.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 21st, 2008 03:27 pm (UTC)
From everything I've seen, you're doing the series because you love it, rather than doing the Vulcan-style business calculation thing.

Have you seen orders decreasing with Spacejock? It always seemed paradoxical to me. On the one hand, orders for the new book are based on the last, which may lead to fewer books. On the other, the release of the new book sells more copies of the older books, driving those sales up. It makes my brain hurt.
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[info]dormouse_in_tea wrote:
Nov. 22nd, 2008 11:32 pm (UTC)
Confession. . . I have not bought nor read your goblin books. They just didn't sound like my thing from the back copy (and ghod knows that back copy is a horrible, horrible thing to judge a book by, but the shelves are very large and very full and I'm outnumbered like whoa).

On the other hand, I plan on picking up (as in, buying cold, before reading) the first stepsister book as soon as see it on the shelves...and if I don't see it on the shelves fast enough to suit me I'll get it from Amazon.

(which I prefer not to do, because I'm a cheapskate, and somehow in my quest to avoid that pesky shipping fee I go over the $25 mark by...oh, fifty bucks, every time...ow my wallet.)

The difference is that I am wildly interested in the premise for the stepsister books. They ARE my thing. But after I read it, if I enjoy reading your writing style, I'll probably pick up the goblin books so that I'll have something enjoyable to read while waiting for the next stepsister book to come out.

So sometimes a multitude of series is a great marketing strategy. We readers are just greedy bloodsucking bastards who would cheerfully drain an author dry to get more stories in the worlds or about the people we love. You have to be firm with us and tell us no sometimes. We have no self-restraint.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Nov. 27th, 2008 04:56 pm (UTC)
Late response, but I wanted to say thanks for your thoughts. And I know what you mean about Amazon. That "Free shipping for $25 orders" was a brilliant move on their part.

And no worries that the goblin books didn't sound like your thing. Cover art and back cover copy are *supposed* to let a reader know whether they'd enjoy the book. We hear the whole "Don't judge a book by its cover" bit, but that's precisely what covers are for. So no sweat -- I've got plenty of author friends whose work just doesn't appeal to me, either. But I do hope you enjoy Stepsister when it comes out!
[info]steve_buchheit wrote:
Nov. 24th, 2008 08:02 pm (UTC)
Aha! So it's time to unveil my nefarious plans to launch the Jig/Smudge fic site. (bwahahaha!)
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