"...when the king beheld Talia, who seemed to be enchanted, he believed that she was asleep, and he called her, but she remained unconscious. Crying aloud, he beheld her charms and felt his blood course hotly through his veins. He lifted her in his arms, and carried her to a bed, where he gathered the first fruits of love. Leaving her on the bed, he returned to his own kingdom, where, in the pressing business of his realm, he for a time thought no more about this incident."
From "Sun, Moon, and Talia", by Giambattista Basile.
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From "Sun, Moon, and Talia", by Giambattista Basile.
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If you've read my last book, you'll probably recognize Talia's name and backstory. There are a number of reasons I chose this piece of the Sleeping Beauty story to use in my own books, as opposed to one of the less unpleasant versions. One of the most important reasons was the paragraph above, because it's a story I've heard so many times before. Because this is something men* still do.
Not all men. Not even a majority of men. But too many. I know far too many women who were ripped awake by a man raping them. By a roommate. By a friend who crashed at her place after a party. Even by a total stranger, though stranger rapes are less common.
Men who then return to their own kingdom, thinking no more about the incident. Which forces me to ask, What the hell is wrong with us?
Let me make this as clear as I can, since so many of us seem unable to comprehend.
- Letting you crash on the couch does not equal consent.
- Drunk and passed out does not equal consent.
- Roommate sharing a house/apartment does not equal consent.
- Unconsciousness does not equal consent.
Often when I get to this point, people (men) will come back with "What if?" questions. "What if she was flirting with you before she went to sleep?" "What if you used to go out?" "What if...?" One after another, every question trying to chip away at the rules, to blur the boundaries and invent gray areas where those rules can be violated.
Consent means knowing what you and the other person want. Not guessing. Not assuming. Knowing. If you have to ask "What if?" it means you don't know, and if you don't know, the default answer is no until the other person says otherwise. You keep your hands to yourself unless and until you're invited to do differently. My four-year-old knows that. Why can't the rest of us get it through our heads?
In the fairy tale, it's not the man who rapes Talia who is the villain. The real villain of the story is the man's evil wife. (Oh yes, did I mention he's married?) The man did nothing wrong. Because he has a right to use whatever woman he chooses. Because it's the woman's job to stop the man from raping her, not the man's job to control himself. Because rape is a women's issue, and not our problem.
How long before men step up and take more responsibility to put an end to rape? Before we start teaching our children what consent means, and how to have a healthy relationship instead of a competitive/predatory one? Before we start calling one another out on the kind of sexist and abusive behaviors that encourage predation and assault?
Basile wrote this tale about 400 years ago. How sad is it that Talia's story is still so familiar today?
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*"Among all rape victims identified by the survey, 85.8 percent were women and 14.2 percent were men. Nearly all of the female victims (99.6 percent) and most of the male victims (85.2 percent) were raped by a male." -2006 Violence Against Women Survey, U.S. Dept. of Justice, page 26.






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My name is Laura Anne, and I'm a sexual assault survivor.
Consent means knowing what you and the other person want. Not guessing. Not assuming. Knowing.
The fact that people don't know this and try to rationalize anything different is terrifying in its prevalence.
Or is it "here, here!"? I never have known.
Anyway - You are so right.
It reminds me of child abuse. I used to think child abusers were horrible, broken, sick people, up until the first time I realized I wanted to hit my own child. I didn't -- I walked away, but the fact that I had gotten so tired and frustrated and angry, that it would have been so easy to cross that line....
I don't think most men who rape are psychologically all that different or deviant from the general population. Which scares me.
BUT before I go, let me say once again that your advocacy and voice on the issue, as always, ring true, and I am always appreciative that you have chosen to keep this issue as one of the issues you return to on your blog. With your credentials in this area, it packs a punch.
Gotta go.
Catherine
Sometimes it's Jim the former rape counselor, but just Jim the guy, or Jim who's really fucking tired of people he loves being hurt, you know?
Off to plug this on Twitter....
If you think about it, I'd say the majority of villains in fairy tales are women. Snow White's mother. Cinderella's stepmother/stepsisters. The witch in Hansel and Gretel. The witch in Rapunzel. Lots of witches. The Snow Queen. According to most fairy tales, older women with power and in positions of authority are just eeevil.
Not a lot of male villains I can think of right now, except Bluebeard, who was all about killing his wives for disobeying him.
Bluebeard set up his wives for failure; he chose them for their intelligence and curiosity and then punished them for being intelligent and curious.
http://arielstarshadow.livejournal.c
Well, there are my thoughts, if you've time and desire to read them.
Rape isn't polite. And it shouldn't be treated as something "polite".
Once again, thank you for a wonderful post.
I hope you don't mind, but I submitted this post to the weekly Carnival Against Sexual Violence.
Edited at 2009-04-01 02:54 pm (UTC)
My name is Rose and I'm a survivor of "grey rape"; I didn't say "no" because five minutes of sex I didn't want was more endurable than hours of convincing my boyfriend that I still loved him even though I didn't want to have sex with him. There are many kinds of force and coercion.
Don't Be That Guy, folks.
Yes. That.
But you ask what triggers men to do this. Isn't rape one of the manifestations of a sex addiction?
http://www.medicinenet.com/sexual_addic
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/dis
This would explain why the men you met who were rapists were outwardly nice people. An alcoholic can be a nice person sober. A drug addict can be a nice person between fixes. But when the addiction takes over, it often triggers them to do all kinds of things that are outside their personalities. Things that are illegal or immoral or hurt other people.
Again, NOT an excuse. Addicts have a responsibility to manage their addictions in ways that don't hurt other people, and to get help to get themselves under control.
But it may be a root cause. Not that all men with sexual addictions rape, but some choose to let their addiction manifest in this way. If it is indeed a medical addiction, then, like with other addictions, the man would lose control of himself once he has decided to indulge in the demands of the addiction. This might make it easier to separate himself from his crime. (And all the more wrong of him to do it. It's despicable. It's disgusting. I condemn it. Please make no mistake about that.) Especially men who refuse to recognize that sex addiction is possible or is a problem they have might be prone to extending the denial of addiction to sexual consent.
It doesn't change things for the victim. There is no excuse for hurting another person in that way. But I think the picture is more complicated than men being selfish. I think there are deeper, darker forces at work.
Let me make myself absolutely clear one more time, for my own peace of mind. My comment is trying to answer the question: what is wrong with us? from the post above. I believe this is what's wrong with many men who rape. Doesn't make it okay. Doesn't mean they're justified. They AREN'T! But I do think it is one thing that is wrong, which is deeper than selfishness or stupidity.
*sigh*
Hugs to the girls, to you, and to everybody over there. And thanks again for a good book with protagonists I'd totally want to hang out with. :D
I'm gay as well so there was an underlying question of whether or not this sick sensation, this "oh gods this is wrong" feeling was something I had asked for because I thought I MIGHT like men. This was when I was 18.
I've dealt with a lot of this. In my journey I've also gone down the path of BDSM, finding that I'm a dominant who has one very hard limit. Consent.
Speaking as a gay male about other gay men... consent and so on is NOT as easy as all that.
We have, as a culture, a concept of no vs silence. In law we understand that silence is not consent. Why is it that culturally if no one is asked, and no one says no, it's in any way grey? I don't know. But it is.
We aren't talking about no vs yes. We're talking no vs tacit yes.
The single biggest excuse and channel through which rape can even begin to enter into our culture, personally, is that we have not - as a society, as a whole - said "enough". Enough of hiding behind taboos about subjects we all have or will or want to participate in : sex. Women and men, all of us, need to be socialized to talk openly, without fear or shame about sex. What we want. What we don't want. Games, sexually, that don't have clear and defined boundaries are a sure fire way to get hurt and to hurt.
Half of the stories I've seen here, alone, discuss how they didn't want to lose their boyfriends or disappoint. They didn't want to make noise or a scene. We need to stop that and openly discuss the implications of that when we talk about rape.
Because, damn it, this shit needs to stop. Rape needs to be something people look up in history books.
It is possible to give one's partner carte blanche for sleep sex. I had it with a past partner -- he liked to be awakened to me molestering him. I've given that advance consent in certain situations with people I really like. The point of this I guess is that sleep-rape is possible even among couples, but sleep-sex can be really nice with advance consent.