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Transformers 2: The Defacing

  • Jun. 29th, 2009 at 9:30 AM
Christmas - Snow

Amy and I snuck out yesterday to see Transformers 2 while the kids were at their cousins’ place.  (Please note - this was Amy’s suggestion, not mine.  Because my wife is that cool.)  Currently, the movie is getting trashed in the reviews.  21% at Rotten Tomatoes as of this morning.

But you know what?  I liked it.  It’s silly, over-the-top, with problems ranging from a cartoon plot to Prime’s face fetish, but like the first movie, that’s not the point.  You go in with low expectations, turn off your brain, and enjoy the spectacle of giant robots pounding the crap out of each other.  I thought some things worked better this time around.  It was nice to actually get some personality from Starscream.  On the other hand, sometimes Michael Bay’s idea of “personality” is problematic in the extreme.

Next up: the spoilers, including points that worked and didn’t, and a deeper look at Mudflap and Skids.

Optimus Prime kicks ass, and it’s about time.  I was disappointed in the first film when he gets his tailplate handed to him by Megatron.  That ain’t the Prime I remember.  This time, he’s got his double-swords going and he’s taking on all comers.  This doesn’t always turn out too well, but overall, he seemed much more heroic this time around.  None of which changes the fact that, “Give me your face!” is one of the worst lines ever.

The Fallen, on the other hand … this was supposed to be one of the original Primes, so powerful he rebelled against the rest and came out alive.  So he sits around on his ass, finally hops down to Earth, and promptly gets his face ripped off.  Bored now.  More Megatron please.

Megatron and Starscream - Booyah!  There’s the snippy little S&M dom/sub pair I remember from childhood.  So much better than the first movie.

Sam’s Webgeek Roommate - Bored again.  Please replace his scenes with a few minutes to maybe give us the names of the rest of the new autobots?

The Plot was dumb as rocks in socks, but this is a movie based on a cartoon made to sell toys.  Draining the sun of its energy is exactly the sort of scheme 80’s Megatron would have loved.  Can’t you just hear Frank Welker’s voice gloating about his plan to destroy the fleshlings and conquer the universe?

Devastator should have been awesome.  Instead we get this clunky, slow, sand-sucking monstrosity who can’t stand upright.  I get that the mass of a robot so huge could cause serious structural problems (see the square-cube law), and that realistically, it makes sense to give Devastator some back issues.  But really?  This is the part of the movie where you suddenly worry about making something realistic?

Sam and Mikaela - Meh.

Wheelie - Why in the name of Primus would a robot express his loyalty by humping someone’s leg?  That said, he was still less annoying than Wheelie from the cartoon.  I’ll take it.

Jetfire rocked.  They captured his Decepticon past, gave him a new personality, and he was probably my favorite character in the film.  A bit like Grell the goblin if she were an ancient 40-ton robot.  A little over-the-top, but I thought he worked well, and I wish the rest of the ‘bots could have gotten similar development.

Mudflap and Skids - The New York Times described them as racist caricatures, robot versions of Jar Jar Binks.  They certainly serve the same role as Jar Jar did, bringing childish humor and attempted comic relief while spouting pseudo-urban slang and, in one case, sporting a massive gold tooth.

Personally, I found them annoying, offensive, and totally unnecessary.   (I did like the “Decepticons, suck my popsicle!” bit in the beginning, though.)  Most interesting to me were the responses to accusations of racism.  Reno Wilson, one of the voice actors for the twins, said “he was told that the alien robots learned about human culture through the Web and that the twins were ‘wannabe gangster types,’” going on to add, “If he had uploaded country music, he would have come out like that.”

The thing is, from a more skilled director, that might have worked.  We’ve already established that the Transformers learned our language from the Internet.  Think of the quirks and misinformation they could have absorbed.  We’re lucky Optimus Prime didn’t leap onto the Fallen shouting “On ur back, takin’ ur face!”  (Or worse, “All ur face are belong to us!”)

Only there were no country music bots.  No LOLbots.  No caricatures whatsoever, save our gangster twins.  They played it straight with all of the Transformers except the black caricatures.  But that’s all right, because according to director Michael Bay, “It’s done in fun.  I don’t know if it’s stereotypes — they are robots, by the way.”

Oh Michael Bay no.

All right then.  They’re just robots.  That doesn’t count, right?  Good to know.  (Do you think Hasbro used the same reasoning back in the 80’s when they decided the black character in G.I. Joe would speak only in rhymes?  They’re just cartoons, right?)

And sure, the characters aren’t literally black.  They’re green and red, so that makes it okay.  Except you’re still taking elements of racial stereotypes and associating them with bumbling, illiterate idiots.

In the end, Bay’s motives were pure.  “I purely did it for kids.”  The sad thing is, it works.  My 4-year-old will love this level of humor, the infantile bickering, the roughhousing, the endless idiocy.  As a bonus, he’ll get to absorb another 2.5 hours of racial caricature.  Thanks a lot, Bay.

Mirrored from Jim C. Hines.

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[info]snapes_angel wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 01:54 pm (UTC)
“All ur face are belong to us!”

*snicker*
[info]jimhines wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 01:56 pm (UTC)
As soon as I can get a screenshot from that part of the movie, I'm doing a LOLPrime!
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[info]amsaph wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 01:56 pm (UTC)
You go in with low expectations, turn off your brain, and enjoy the spectacle of giant robots pounding the crap out of each other.

Exatly! It's fun, as long as you turn off the brain. This isn't a thinking movie, and I think too many people expect that. I thought it was fun. This one was definitely about the robots pounding each other and less about the humans, which is what made it. You have to overlook some things, like the BSG copycat transformer (which I thought was wrong).

You're right that Jetfire rocked. He had the most depth of any of the transformers with his interesting past.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 02:00 pm (UTC)
I'm ashamed to admit I haven't seen BSG. Which one was the copycat?
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[info]cat_mcdougall wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 02:13 pm (UTC)
See; I thought that when you bought the ticket, the girl in the booth advised you to turn off your brain in movies like this.

I don't go to movies like this to have Deep Thoughts (TM). I go to see stuff blow up, big fires, and watch giant robots to run around.

I'm leaving my brain at home on Thursday when the kids and I go see it. Let it do all that thinking stuff. I'm going for eye candy.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 02:18 pm (UTC)
Like I said, I did have fun, just like the first one. T2 had more robots, fights that were easier to follow, and plenty of geek eye candy.

I'll be curious to hear what you think of it!
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[info]stormsdotter wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 02:26 pm (UTC)
I was happy that Transformers 2 had fewer things I wanted to delete than Transformers 1. I think the movie is desperately in need of a "Phantom Edit" to remove the humping dogs, Gangsta Twins, humping robots, scrotum comments, and of course, the stupid parent scenes.

My biggest issue with continuity was that I'd like to know how idiots like Sam and his roomate got into Harvard. I would have expected stupid stunts like that from Northeastern, BU or maybe MIT kids. Harvard is HARD to get into--did some folks in the government pull strings to get Sam in?
[info]jimhines wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 02:31 pm (UTC)
I'm ashamed to admit I laughed at Devastator's scrotum. But yes.

The college scenes made me wonder if Michael Bay had ever actually attended one.
[info]swan_tower wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 06:42 pm (UTC)
Haven't seen the movie, so I don't know what the "stupid stunts" in question are -- but trust me, Harvard students are entirely capable of getting up to idiocy worthy of the label.
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[info]tsubaki_ny wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 02:31 pm (UTC)
“It’s done in fun. I don’t know if it’s stereotypes — they are robots, by the way.”

Oh Michael Bay no.


Ain't that always the way. =/
[info]jimhines wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 02:34 pm (UTC)
Which is worse, the racist caricatures in the movie, or the caricature of racism defensiveness from the director?
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[info]mtlawson wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 03:35 pm (UTC)
If the Transformers had learned our language from the Internet, surely they would have used LOL Cats by now.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 03:41 pm (UTC)
You know Soundwave spends his free processing power trolling message boards.
[info]wyjoe wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 03:45 pm (UTC)
Oh noes! DO NOT WANT!
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[info]spiziks wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 04:33 pm (UTC)
Ohhhhhh, I have refused to set foot in the theater for this one. I always want to deck Shia LeBouf. He always comes across as a weasel to me, and I just itch to smack him. I'm not going to let my sons know you liked it, or they'll bug me to go.
[info]sixteenbynine wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 05:06 pm (UTC)
You don't just turn off your brain to watch this. You have to turn off all the brains in the neighborhood through the master switch at the substation. Then you have to pay the $55 reconnection fee and make an appointment for the brain guy to come by when it's done.
[info]brainstormfront wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 05:41 pm (UTC)
No interest, honestly, in seeing this movie, but this review made me laugh out loud in its absurdist logic.

http://io9.com/5301898/michael-bay-finally-made-an-art-movie?skyline=true&s=x

[info]jimhines wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 05:46 pm (UTC)
[info]guinwhyte wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 06:11 pm (UTC)
Until that review, I hadn't realized that it is Transformers: ROTF. My brain kept wanting to add LOL. :P (And I kept reading it in my head as "Transformers: Roll on the Floor," too.)
[info]mtlawson wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 06:05 pm (UTC)
I have a hard time forgiving Michael Bay for Pearl Harbor.
[info]swan_tower wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 06:40 pm (UTC)
I didn't know about the last point, but I'd come across some interview with Michael Bay where he talked about there being one "female" Autobot (pink, naturally) who he killed off as soon as possible and not even in an interesting way because he found that character annoying.

All-round failure to brain, I think.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 06:46 pm (UTC)
Arcee ended up being a set of three motorcycles who transformed into their own robots but apparently shared a single mind. At least one of the three gets killed, and they got very little screen time or dialogue.

The only other female 'bot was a human pretender sent to seduce Sam.

He's very much stuck in "Movie for Boys" mode. Not even interesting boys, but for the shallow, juvenile ones.
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[info]namelessarchon wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 10:25 pm (UTC)
Bay produces great summer movies, period. This movie is wonderful entertainment for the eye and for the funny bone. Anyone who looks for something deeper than explosions, hot girls, and fast cars is thinking too hard. Enjoy the show, or go out and see My Sister's Keeper... sheesh, it's Transformers for Pete's sake! This isn't Tale of Two Cities.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2009 10:29 pm (UTC)
"...it's Transformers for Pete's sake! This isn't Tale of Two Cities."

How literary does a story need to be before it's okay to think about and discuss the messages within? (I'm assuming "literary" or something similar is the criteria being used in the comparison to Tale of Two Cities.)
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[info]mintos wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2009 11:40 pm (UTC)
I was pretty confused at what age-group this was aimed. The main character's mom was running around talking about how his "cherry" had just recently been popped, and I was like "Wat? Isn't this for kids?"

Also the first shot of the lead female character on the bike earned some brow raising.. plus.. its impossible to airbrush fro that angle.

I REALLY not the type of person to complain about this stuff, but my brows were kinda stuck doing an upward arch during that.
[info]kythiaranos wrote:
Jul. 23rd, 2009 01:37 pm (UTC)
How sad is it that I'd be first in line to see a LolCat version of Transformers?
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