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Homophobia in Publishing

  • Feb. 11th, 2010 at 10:39 AM
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Note: I’ve not seen an official statement from The Library Of The Living Dead Press. They locked the discussion forum on this issue. If they do have an explanation, I’d very much like to see it.

Update: LLD Press has posted a statement here.  “…with all the things that are going on in my life right now I didn’t think it all the way through. I became afraid I would upset people by publishing the book. That’s the reason in a nutshell … If any of you don’t know, I’m a huge supporter of the GLBT community. They are my brothers and sisters.”  He’s offered to pay those who wrote stories.

I’m afraid there’s nothing here that makes me change my initial reaction.  How do you claim to be a “huge supporter” of the GLBT community while simultaneously cancelling your GLBT-themed project because it might upset people?

Thanks, kirizal, for the update.

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So last month, Library of the Living Dead Press put out a call for an LGBT zombie anthology (which sounds like a very cool project, actually).  Yesterday, the publisher pulled the plug on the anthology.  From the editor:

“It is with deep regret that I must inform you that the publisher has pulled the plug on this anthology. It seems that homophobia had reared its ugly head..NOT from the publisher, but with some authors that are contributers to the publisher.”

In other words, it sounds like some of the authors who publish with LLD found out that their publisher was doing an anthology that had teh gay in it, and complained.

I hope there’s more to the story.  I hope there’s another reason this project fell through, some explanation other than the fact that the person or persons running this publisher are a bunch of miserable, cowardly, unprofessional twits.

As for the authors who allegedly complained?  You’re writing for a horror micropress.  It’s okay to write about gore and blood and violence and horror, but homosexuality is right out?  What the hell is wrong with you?

If anyone reading this is associated with LLD press, please pass this link along to the powers that be.  I really, really want to hear how they justify backing out of this project, and whether they have an excuse that doesn’t involve wedging their heads quite so far up their own asses.  I hope so, and I’ll happily post a follow-up with their side of this story, if they’d care to share it.

I know not everyone feels the same as me about LGBT issues.  Some people don’t support gay marriage; some don’t want to repeal don’t ask, don’t tell; and so on.  I disagree, but I recognize those opinions are out there.  But it’s one thing to disagree.  It’s another to announce a project, then turn around and cancel it for no other reason than the homophobia of authors who (presumably) weren’t even submitting to the anthology.

I debated whether a horror micropress was worth the attention of a blog post.  But I’m a SF/F author, and this publisher is a part of my circle, even if they’re a tiny part, and I didn’t feel right letting this pass without condemnation.

I hope there’s a better explanation.  But if not, I hope all those involved with this decision will please feel free to go to hell.

(Thanks to Christian Young for the link.)

Mirrored from Jim C. Hines.

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[info]corinneduyvis wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 03:44 pm (UTC)
I hope there’s another reason this project fell through, some explanation other than the fact that the person or persons running this publisher are a bunch of miserable, cowardly, unprofessional twits.

Go on. Tell us how you really feel ;)

It should go without saying, but really - everything here? Co-signed. Very curious to see how this will play out.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:18 pm (UTC)
Usually I try to be a little more restrained than this, but, assuming the editor's report is correct, this one really pissed me off. I take it that came through a little bit? :-)
[info]out_totheblack wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 03:47 pm (UTC)
Here, here ! I second your feelings and your sentiment.
[info]mtlawson wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 03:50 pm (UTC)
And here I thought zombies were equal opportunity brains-eaters.

::sigh::
[info]sistercoyote wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 08:41 pm (UTC)
There have to be brains for the zombies to eat, of course.

I'm pretty sure some people leave theirs at home when they go out in public.
[info]la_marquise_de_ wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 03:51 pm (UTC)
I saw the announcement of this and thought WTF? It seems unthinkable -- either there is indeed more behind it, or the press is letting itself be held hostage by a bunch of, frankly, f*ckwits.
Kari (goes back to lurking).
[info]jimhines wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:19 pm (UTC)
I'm hoping there's more to it, but it wouldn't surprise me to hear the editor's version is essentially correct.
[info]samhenderson wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 03:55 pm (UTC)
I think it's a very weird statement - the publisher "deeply regrets" and refers to homophobia's "ugly head" - and yet they are the ones making the decision to pull the plug. Did the authors threaten to leave the publisher, or did they just complain? Is the publisher dependent on one or more of the unhappy authors? In this publishing climate, is this press unable to attract other authors?

Doesn't all quite fit.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:20 pm (UTC)
The editor is not the same person as the publisher. So my guess is the homophobia and deep regret are the editor's statement. I've seen nothing from the publisher's side.

I don't get it either. They're a fairly new small horror press, but the idea that the authors get to dictate what the publisher does and doesn't publish is completely bizarre.
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[info]the_gneech wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 03:55 pm (UTC)
"LGBT zombie anthology?"

I know it's tangentional at best, but what's the point of a specifically-LGBT zombie anthology?

"Queer eye for the shuffling brain-eating dead guy?"

I don't get it.

-The Gneech
[info]reannon wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:00 pm (UTC)
Themes are the big thing in anthos these days. And LGBT themes in supernatural fiction are selling faster than almost anything else I see on the author circuit. I've lost count of how many author calls I've seen for LGBT anthos in horror, science fiction and fantasy - perhaps a market overreaction, since LGBT characters have been largely ignored or mocked in speculative fiction in the past. I wish they'd gone forward with it - I could've stocked it myself and made a killing. Pardon the expression.
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[info]jhetley wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 03:56 pm (UTC)
Well, I guess I won't write *that* story . . .
[info]rosefox wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:04 pm (UTC)
Please do write it and submit it elsewhere. Queer-specific venues are awesome but they shouldn't be walled compounds, or ghettos.

Signed,
a Lambda Literary Awards SF/F/H judge who would really like to see more qualifying titles from mainstream presses
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[info]filkertom wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 03:58 pm (UTC)
Grrr. Same old same old. Violence good, sexuality bad. Thanks, Our Goddamn Puritan Heritage. Thanks ever so. You repressed wankers.
[info]infamousqbert wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:30 pm (UTC)
i don't know why, but your comment makes me smile. it's so very direct and succinct. :)
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[info]suricattus wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:00 pm (UTC)
I saw this originally on Lee's blog, and my first thought was "micropress...complaints... bet the complaints came from writers who threatened to pull books/company funding if Teh Gays were allowed in their sandbox."

Itty bitty self-conscious pricklets.


The horror community has an equal share of fabulous people, both straight and bent, and Utter Asshats. It's not just homophobia -- the misogyny in horror is a long-standing and well-known thing as well, and sent me from working actively in that field almost a decade ago.



[info]jimhines wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:24 pm (UTC)
"Itty bitty self-conscious pricklets."

Love it!
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[info]pnkrokhockeymom wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:04 pm (UTC)
Thanks for posting this.
[info]rosefox wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:04 pm (UTC)
It's possible that one of the people complaining provides funding without which the press can't survive.

It still chafes a whole lot.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:25 pm (UTC)
That makes sense, given that it's a new and small publisher.

Still unexcusable, in my opinion. I'd be willing to bet, if that was the case, that they could have raised much more just by going public, explaining their dilemma, and asking for fundraising that would allow them to continue on without that particular source.
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[info]socchan wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:08 pm (UTC)
Damn shame to hear about that :/ I so would've shelled out for a LGBT-themed zombie anthology.
[info]pnkrokhockeymom wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:42 pm (UTC)
Yes, this. I would have purchased it, and purchased several copies for gifts.
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[info]tracyworld wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:20 pm (UTC)
"It’s okay to write about gore and blood and violence and horror, but homosexuality is right out? What the hell is wrong with you?"

Amen.
[info]nick_kaufmann wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:26 pm (UTC)
I've been trying to find more information on this since yesterday, but all I've seen so far is the editor's announcement on the Gay Writers forum. Like you, I want to hear more about what happened, and if there's more to the story.
[info]rosefox wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:29 pm (UTC)
I've written to the publisher and the anthology editor asking for comments for Genreville, so hopefully we'll get some more info.
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[info]mardott wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:28 pm (UTC)
This is amazing. Not in a good way. Nothing about it makes sense.
[info]stormsdotter wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:33 pm (UTC)
Horror is Not My Thing. At all. I am going to pick up Feed when it comes out becuase I love [info]seanan_mcguire's writing, and I don't *think* a book will bother me as much as a movie. (Watching horror movies results in me having reoccurring nightmares until I can take control of the dream and Kill the Big Bad. Ugh!)

Still, I would have bought that anthology and given it a shot, because it would have been GLBT. Now? I'm tempted to avoid anything by LLD, becuase I know where they stand on Gay Rights.
[info]snapes_angel wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:35 pm (UTC)
Was that themed, or authors? Either way, it's unconscionable, if it was some of the circle of authors protesting. As a heterosexual myself, I will admit to putting some homosexual characters in my stories (one of which is sort of in limbo at the moment until I actually get it written, as shat and a type of insanity on the part of the antagonist...let's just say that, if I don't handle the story the correct way, it could be offensive to a lot of people, and character plays a large part in the story, which is nominally SF, which could also be ad-libbed as "structural functionalism" or some such). At least I do have a friend, who happens to be a homosexual male as well as a fellow writer (albeit poetry and not sf/f/h) who is actually willing to give a read to what I write, to make sure I get some things right.
[info]rosefox wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:47 pm (UTC)
As a heterosexual myself, I will admit to putting some homosexual characters in my stories

What's to admit? I hope you'd be proud of that! Too many straight authors pretend we don't exist or just don't think to include us.
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[info]trektone wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:44 pm (UTC)
Thanks for this post. I've been elsewhere-focused in recent times, but this definitely caught my attention.
[info]jaylake wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 04:50 pm (UTC)
I disagree, but I recognize those opinions [about GLBT issues] are out there. But it’s one thing to disagree.

Actually, those aren't opinions subject to reasonable disagreement. Those are bigotry. Pure simple prejudice, often wrapped in prideful or righteous rhetoric, but grounded only in moral shame.

Preferring chicken to fish is an opinion with which one can reasonably disagree.
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Feb. 12th, 2010 06:19 am (UTC)
Yes. "Chicken or fish?" is a matter of opinion. Bigotry is a policy decision.
[info]yuki_onna wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 05:13 pm (UTC)
Honestly, something about this just doesn't add up for me. I saw it days ago on the Outer Alliance listserv, and it made no sense to me then. To claim vague homophobia with no details, names, or information riles us all up, but we really have no idea what's going on. I have a weird feeling about our outrage being used here. Can't back that up with facts either, I just get a whiff of untruth here.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 05:18 pm (UTC)
It's possible, in which case I'll have much retracting and apologizing to do soon.

I'm not sure what the purpose would be, though.
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[info]sixteenbynine wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 05:26 pm (UTC)
I posted some extended comments, including some notes about people's selective squeamishness, here:

http://bit.ly/aEqlff
[info]unwoman wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 05:26 pm (UTC)
It's bullshit on the publisher's part if that's the real reason. The right thing to do in that situation would be to tell those complainy homophobic authors to suck it up or look elsewhere.

I suspect they didn't like their submissions, or decided the project wasn't worth it financially, and this is a flimsy excuse for flaking out on it.

Either way, lame, but honesty is usually appreciated.
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Feb. 11th, 2010 05:33 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I suspect the same.
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[info]bodlon wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 05:42 pm (UTC)
Note: I’ve not seen an official statement from The Library Of The Living Dead Press. They locked the discussion forum on this issue. If they do have an explanation, I’d very much like to see it.

I've been watching really closely for same. Like others in the thread, I wonder what other things might have been at play, but I also know that there are some very strange, regressive attitudes that have currency in some pockets of the horror community.

So, you know, it's plausible, especially with a small niche press.
[info]jimhines wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 05:45 pm (UTC)
"So, you know, it's plausible, especially with a small niche press."

For some reason, this sentence makes me want to send the Mythbusters over to get to the bottom of this!

(Particularly given their tendency to end every episode with big explosions :-)
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[info]phoenixfirewolf wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 05:55 pm (UTC)
:( That is really ridiculous. I agree, announcing it then canceling it for that alleged reason... not cool.
[info]albogdan wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2010 06:08 pm (UTC)
Glad you didn't just let it pass without comment, Jim! This kind of caving bigotry certainly deserves to be thrown back in their face many times over.

Pathetic.
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