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False Rape Reports

After my Rape and the Police post, I said I’d do a follow-up on false reports of rape.  I do this for two reasons.

  1. False reports do happen, albeit rarely.  Rare or not, they’re worth discussing.
  2. By posting this discussion here, the next time I talk about rape and someone starts to derail the conversation by talking about false accusations, I can redirect the commenter to this post.

The issue of false accusations used to come up every time I spoke to men about rape.  It’s come up in almost every rape-related blog post I’ve written.

I worked with one rape counselor who told me flat-out she didn’t believe anyone would ever falsely accuse someone of rape.  However, I find there’s nothing so heinous that someone, somewhere, hasn’t done it.  (After all, look at the number of people who commit rape.)

I’ve been told only 2% of reported rapes turn out to be false, but I’ve never found a reliable source for that statistic.  A 1996 FBI report found that “Eight percent of forcible rape complaints in 1996 were ‘unfounded’ …”  This includes complaints found to be “false or baseless” … and therein lies a problem.

What qualifies as an unfounded report?  Many reported rapes aren’t prosecuted because those in the legal system don’t feel there’s sufficient evidence.  That doesn’t mean the accuser lied.  Likewise, is “baseless” the same as “false”?  How do we categorize or even identify cases where victims are bullied or intimidated into retracting their statements?

Playing fast and loose with definitions is how you get “Men’s Rights” groups reporting highly inflated numbers of false reports in order to show that rape is exaggerated and used as a weapon against men.

I believe false reports of rape are rare, but they do happen.  I wrote about one case in Michigan, back in 2004.  A student falsely accused a teacher of rape.  The teacher’s name was published in multiple newspaper articles.  The accused teacher’s fiancee was quoted as saying the false charges “took their toll on him,” and he later died of a heart attack.

I can’t imagine the fear and the anger and the stress he must have experienced.  The fact that he was exonerated and his accuser was arrested and sentenced for filing false charges doesn’t undo the pain he went through.

Here’s another example from Maine, which was reported only yesterday.  A woman allegedly made up a story of being raped by five men after a fight with her partner.  I can’t help noticing this line…

“[Police Chief] Craig said he plans to have the woman charged with filing a false report and plans to push for the maximum penalty.”

… and thinking, wouldn’t it be nice if police departments took real rape cases this seriously?

Lying about rape is a horrible thing.  It hurts the one accused, and it hurts victims of rape by giving fuel to those who would use false accusations to deny the reality of rape.  I have absolutely no sympathy for someone who deliberately and maliciously makes up an accusation of rape, for whatever reason.

I wonder though, how many anecdotal stories of false accusations are truly false.  When someone comments how a friend’s cousin’s buddy was falsely accused of rape, what does that mean?  Were charges filed and dropped?  Did the accuser retract her (or his) accusation?  Did the accused say “She’s lying!” and everyone simply chose to believe him?

False accusations are in many ways the reverse of rape cases.  Rape as a crime tends to be underreported and disbelieved.  Stories of false accusations, on the other hand, seem to be both widely believed and incredibly common … which makes sense, in a way.  After all, the first thing someone’s going to say when accused of rape is, “Oh, she’s lying.”

Discussion welcome, as always.  But as with other rape-related discussions here, I’ll be watching the comments and will moderate as needed, so please keep things respectful.

Mirrored from Jim C. Hines.

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queenoftheskies
Jul. 22nd, 2010 01:10 am (UTC)
I know a teacher who was falsely accused of rape. It wasn't the student's idea to accuse him. It was her parents' idea.

After he was charged, they sued him to try to get money.

He lost his job, of course.

Then the girl came forward and told the truth.

He was offered his job back, but he said his life was changed forever and he could never go back to anything he'd done/had before the charge.

Nothing happened to the girl and her parents except that the girl was shunned by other students and had to move schools.

So. Tragic.
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serialbabbler
Jul. 22nd, 2010 04:56 am (UTC)
Hmmmm...

I know one person who was falsely accused of rape and exonerated. She worked with emotionally disturbed kids, though, so it wasn't a total shock. (Also, she videotaped all her sessions. Hence the exoneration.)

I know one person who was (probably) falsely accused of molesting his granddaughter. The charges were dropped, but prior to that he lost his job. Then he died of lung cancer. (No, I don't think the stress caused the cancer. He was a fire fighter. Not good on the lungs.) And there's no way for me to know for sure if he did it or not. Ever.

I know one person who was (probably) legitimately accused of date rape, but the charges were dropped. (And my mother would never leave me in the room alone with him when I was a kid.)

I know one person who was convicted of child molestation. (He was supposed to start teaching my nephew piano shortly before his arrest. Ick.)

I know one person who is (probably) a pedophile, but nobody has ever tried reporting him. (I wasn't in a position to do so myself and he isn't somebody I've stayed in contact with.)

I have four family members (that I know of) who were raped as adults or molested as children. Only one of them reported it.

I have three friends (that I know of) who were raped as adults or molested as children. None of them reported it.

I would like to live in a society where the legal system treats both those making accusations and those being accused of crimes like human beings with lives that shouldn't be casually destroyed.

But I'm pretty sure I don't.
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jimhines
Jul. 22nd, 2010 11:27 am (UTC)
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It scares me how some people above say: "as more raped women fail to get the help they need, so if couple of men get destroyed during investigation of false reportes/ mistakenly, then it does not matter! One person does not matter!"

Can you show me where anyone actually says this?
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(Anonymous)
Jul. 22nd, 2010 02:16 pm (UTC)
Er- your welcome and a sidetrack
Roman Polanski was in a country that has an extradition agreement with the US. Presumably he was aware of the warrant and knew they could come and arrest him at any time if they wanted to. I have no more sympathy about his arrest than I do about any of the oridinary people around me who get picked up on bench warrants every day. Don't mess with judges. They can hurt you even if you are rich, important, and originally from a different country. (And going by what I read, there wasn't any serious judicial misconduct in his case. He was going to get ninety days jail time in a rape case involving a thirteen year old... and that was enough to make him run away to France. Hmph.)
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(Anonymous)
Jul. 22nd, 2010 09:27 am (UTC)
Men falsely accuse women all the time - of lying about rape, for example - with no evidence and no proof, then expect women to deal with it and carry on as if nothing happened.

I think it's reasonable to expect men to cope just as well with being falsely accused themselves.

mpe
jaketk
Jul. 22nd, 2010 11:18 pm (UTC)
I wonder though, how many anecdotal stories of false accusations are truly false.

If you do not also wonder how many anecdotal stories about female rape are actually true, you are engaging in a double standard.

I’ve been told only 2% of reported rapes turn out to be false, but I’ve never found a reliable source for that statistic.

There are no reliable sources for any statistic about false accusations because no one has researched the topic. We simply do not know how frequent false accusations are. The claim that false accusations rarely occur is not based on any substantive, objective information, only subjective assumption. What we do know is that many rape cases result in charges and go to trial with little to no evidence outside of the accuser's accusation. We also know that many false accusations sound believable. In other words, some claims that are false likely get treated as true, and some boys and men were likely convicted for rapes that never happened.

"I've never had much sympathy for 'Oh woe is us, will no one think of the poor men' approach." =/= "Men who are falsely accused of rape don't matter." Neither of these comments are saying that actual incidents of men or women being falsely accused of rape should be dismissed or ignored.

That is not what you wrote. What you wrote was, "Being falsely accused of rape is stressful and painful, yes. But I've never had much sympathy for 'Oh woe is us, will no one think of the poor men' approach." The word "but" is a term of negation. We use it is to contradict or discredit the phrase or sentence that preceded it. So in effect you actually stated that you have no sympathy for falsely accused men, which could be interpreted to mean that you do not think men falsely accused of rape matter. You would not likely object to that interpretation if someone said, "Being raped is stressful and painful, yes. But I've never had much sympathy for the 'Oh woe is us, will no one think of the poor women' approach."

I think you would take such a comment as a dismissal of women's experiences, just as I take as a dismissal of boys and men's experiences when feminists say what you wrote to male victims of rape, and just as those concerned about the falsely accused might take your above comment as a dismissal of falsely accused men's experiences.
jimhines
Jul. 23rd, 2010 12:50 am (UTC)
"There are no reliable sources for any statistic about false accusations..."

Which suggests to me that you didn't bother to follow the link I included, nor did you follow any of the links that came up in the comments. (Though the latter is understandable, given the number of comments.)

"The word "but" is a term of negation. We use it is to contradict or discredit the phrase or sentence that preceded it. So in effect you actually stated that you have no sympathy for falsely accused men, which could be interpreted to mean that you do not think men falsely accused of rape matter."

Wow. Okay, you're pretty clearly reading what you want to read here, regardless of the words I wrote.

"I think you would take such a comment as a dismissal of women's experiences, just as I take as a dismissal of boys and men's experiences when feminists say what you wrote to male victims of rape..."

Wait, where the heck did this even come from? I'm pretty sure nobody here was discussing the issue of male rape victims (something I've written about before a number of times ... but not here).

Normally, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt that they're not just trolling. I have no problem with disagreement, but if all you want to do is put words in my mouth, that's not something I have any interest in. And given that you created this LJ account today, have no posts and no LJ friends, I'm leaning toward troll. I'm open to being proven wrong.
jaketk
Jul. 23rd, 2010 02:57 am (UTC)
Which suggests to me that you didn't bother to follow the link I included, nor did you follow any of the links that came up in the comments.

Please do not assume that because I challenged your position I did not read your comments. I blog about the issue and read about it frequently, so I am very familiar with the statistics people like to throw around. As you noted, the 14-year-old FBI 8% statistic is based on police reports. However, those reports do not specifically state that accusations were false. They state the accusations were unfounded, which is a catch-all phrase used for a variety of situations. There has not been any uniform study or research done to determine the actual rate in which people lie about being raped.

I have no problem with disagreement, but if all you want to do is put words in my mouth, that's not something I have any interest in.

I said that your statement could be read a certain way, and did so without endorsing that reading. I also stated that you would not likely object to that interpretation if someone made a similar comment about female rape victims, and that if you did not apply the same skepticism you demonstrated about false accusations to accusations of rape that you are engaging in a double standard. Those challenge your opinions, however, they do not put words in your mouth. Likewise, whether you think I am a troll because I opened the account today, made other posts, and have no LiveJournal friends does not change the validity of the points I made, although it is an example of argumentum ad hominem.
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ext_233337
Jul. 23rd, 2010 10:10 pm (UTC)
"Wait, where the heck did this even come from? I'm pretty sure nobody here was discussing the issue of male rape victims (something I've written about before a number of times ... but not here)."

His point, I think is that your treatment of the issue of male victims of false accusations mirrors the way feminists often treat the issue of male victims of sexual violence- that is, they often make some general acknowledgment that it's unpleasant and unfortunate, and express sympathy for the victim, and then immediately do everything they can to give the lie to that supposed sympathy. It boils down to "That's awful, but..." (Pick one or more of the following):

1. Rape of men and boys is incredibly rare, so it doesn't much matter. The claim of rarity is usually just baldly asserted, though sometimes it will be "justified" with studies, such as the CDC report on violence against women, with methodological and definitional problems that are known to cause underreporting. Or by even more dubious sources, such as police reports.

2. The perpetrator was male, so let's focus on the fact that there was a male perpetrator and disregard the gender of the victim so that we can co-opt the issue as a way to talk about how godawful people of the victim's gender are. This only works directly if the perpetrator actually WAS male, though in the case of a female perpetrator it can still be done indirectly- she was conditioned by a patriarchal society, which was built by men, so it's still ultimately the fault of men (including the victim, presumably.)

3. The victim possesses some sort of "privilege" that is supposedly enjoyed by everyone with a Y chromosome, no matter how horrendous their treatment or their objective conditions, so it's not that important.

4. Sexually violence is just intrinsically less harmful to men. This one is more common among conservatives/traditionalists than feminists, but it still appears among the latter from time to time.

This is sometimes accompanied by claims or insinuations that outspoken concern about the issue masks some unwholesome misogynistic agenda, or some other character attack.

So yeah, your statement, "Being falsely accused of rape is stressful and painful, yes. But I've never had much sympathy for 'Oh woe is us, will no one think of the poor men' approach" fits nicely into that mold. It's got the pro forma acknowledgment that what happens to these men and boys is bad, followed by an expression of mocking disdain for people who think its bad enough to actually warrant concern or indignation or compassion.

In the second sentence you even manage to work in a bit of old-fashioned macho shaming, invoking the traditional assumption that male expressions of pain, distress, or vulnerability are contemptible, shameful, and ridiculous with your "woe is us" mockery.
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jimhines
Jul. 23rd, 2010 01:02 am (UTC)
Also, as a follow-up on how the English language works:

"My cat is kind of clever, but my dog is an idiot." Two statements, connected by a conjunction. The use of the word "but" in no way indicates that I'm lying about my cat.
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sktait
Jul. 23rd, 2010 02:38 am (UTC)
Does this fit your definition of rape
jimhines
Jul. 23rd, 2010 03:16 am (UTC)
Re: Does this fit your definition of rape
That case came up in the comments yesterday too, but I haven't yet had time to read about it enough to say anything.
bookishdragon
Jul. 23rd, 2010 01:56 pm (UTC)
Re: Does this fit your definition of rape
Go back far enough they stoned women who were victims of rape*


*When God was a Woman by Merlin Stone.
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(Anonymous)
Aug. 18th, 2010 04:37 pm (UTC)
Statistics.
"There are lies , damn lies and statistics"

Our opinions on social issues are heavily influenced statistics and how the issue is framed.

Concerning statistics on false rape accusations, basically we don't really know. The 8% figure as rightly pointed out in the original post contains "unfounded" allegations, but also does not contain withdrawn allegations, a portion of which are plausibly false. Even if withdrawn the damage to the falsely accused is not unsubstantial. In the UK the commission run by Baroness Stern highlighted the lack of unreliable statistics as a major problem in in forming public policy on this issue. I find any statistical arguments largely unconvincing apart from some(probably too many) women get raped with some not getting justice and some men get falsely accused. Statistics are very easily manipulated and we tend to accepted those supporting our views.

In my view Rape and False allegations, although not entirely, has been framed as as a gender issue, possibly due its obvious gender specific components. We are tribal animals and this has lead inevitably to many peoples opinions being influenced by their gender, imo. We do not see large groups of men protesting rape or large groups of women protesting false allegations, whilst the reverse is true. These issues should be re-framed as a Social issue, eliminating peoples bias. We can legislate all we want, but it is peoples opinions that dictates what our society is like.
(Anonymous)
Aug. 26th, 2010 04:15 pm (UTC)
Re: Statistics.
We do not see large groups of men protesting rape or large groups of women protesting false allegations, whilst the reverse is true. These issues should be re-framed as a Social issue, eliminating peoples bias. We can legislate all we want, but it is peoples opinions that dictates what our society is like.

Do you have an idea how to go about re-framing it? I do strongly agree that rape ought to be treated as a non-gender issue. It's just that as far as we know, the majority of rapists ARE men, and majority of rape victims ARE women. A divide of genders protecting their own interests seems almost inevitable.
(Anonymous)
Aug. 24th, 2010 03:23 pm (UTC)
false rape
There was a girl I was seeing. She got mad I was talking to another girl and on the way home made me get out of my own car and walk 10 miles. Said if I didn't she would claim I was trying to rape her. What a weapon false rape can be......
(Anonymous)
Aug. 26th, 2010 10:31 pm (UTC)
Re: false rape
I'm sorry to hear that the girl used that threat in such a despicable way. False rape accusers harm both innocent men and true victims of rape to the core for their own selfish interests. Have you thought about how you'll counter such a threat the next time you face it?
(Anonymous)
Aug. 26th, 2010 02:45 am (UTC)
Any rape is a tragedy. Any false accusation of rape is a tragedy.

In both cases, a criminal does something terrible to an innocent person. In both cases, the criminal needs to be punished severely.

What's tragic is that there's quite a few rapes that don't get reported, and quite a few "rapes" that are reported and are blatantly false.

The UK is such a joke now that international scammers are targeting British tourists with charges of rape:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/7933190/Britons-trapped-in-false-rape-sting-by-blonde-Swede-on-Greek-island.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1301410/UK-teacher-Greek-holiday-accused-rape-woman-preys-tourists.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Given the fact that the UK rewards victims of sexual assault, regardless whether the assault happened or not is pretty fun. You reap what you saw.

-z
(Anonymous)
Aug. 26th, 2010 04:08 pm (UTC)
I think another important issue to consider how reported real rapes can be easily dismissed under the possibility that it MAY be a false rape. Serial rapists are free to continue ruining their victims' lives with little fear, while said victims are unjustly being branded malicious liars and outcasts. It's important that both possibilities (false rape and true rape) are given equal weigh when rape is reported.

Also, it doesn't seem fair to just label it as "you reap what you sow". The liars are the ones sowing, while the genuine victims are often forced to reap the consequences (if only liars and real victims happen to be the same individual more often than not).
jimhines
Aug. 26th, 2010 04:11 pm (UTC)
"I think another important issue to consider how reported real rapes can be easily dismissed under the possibility that it MAY be a false rape."

See the "Rape and the Police" post I wrote, linked in the first paragraph of the original post.
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(Anonymous)
Aug. 26th, 2010 10:58 pm (UTC)
You are correct. The point is that people like Hariet Harman, under the guise of making 'victims' coming forward, basically allowed anyone (now just women, but men and groups of people) to randomly ruin someone's life forever.

The moment you get accused of rape, chances are that you will be arrested, and your face plastered everywhere as soon as possible, to a great fanfare. When/if you are found innocent, good luck getting your life back.

Keep in mind the Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax. The lacrosse players were lucky that they had competent (and expensive) lawyers that proved not only innocence, but had PUBLIC exoneration, that the DA was a rogue criminal, and that the false rape accuser, Crystal Mangum, was a mentally unstable prostitute that not only accused 3 other men before, she stole a cab and assaulted a police officer.

Contrast it with the Hofstra University Rape Hoax, where the accused were 5 black and hispanic kids with NO money, who could have spent a good part of their lives in jail, had one of them not taped the events of the evening.

In both cases, the media posted their pictures on NATIONAL tv, with zero proof, before not even bothering to make a big deal out of the fact that it was a hoax.

It's funny when feminists, like the plethora on the first page, keep claiming that no one takes rapes seriously because it only affects women. It fits their preferred meta-narrative, facts be damned.

Rape claims are taken VERY seriously (as they should be, rape is an abhorrent crime).

Unfortunately, there was very little deterrent to NOT accuse someone of rape, as you can easily find out via google. Actual rape victims aren't really fans of these false rape claimants, but again, most rape feminists won't care about the actual raped women outside the context of their crusades.

They never even bothered to ask the women that have had their lives ruined by rape how they feel about these false rape accusers, that do it for MONEY, like the Swedish tourist in Greece (more to come).

-zarko
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