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Posing Like a Man

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Earlier this year, I did what turned out to be my most popular blog post ever, in which I posed like women in various urban fantasy covers to try to point out some of the problematic aspects of said covers.

I’m certainly not the only one to talk about these issues. Tor.com did a post just last week: Hey Everyone - Stop Taking This Picture. As usually happens in these discussions, some people responded with, “What about romance covers?” and “Men are objectified too, you know!”

Well, sure. Men can absolutely be objectified too. But is it the same kind of objectification? Are we contorted into similarly painful, impractical, and improbable positions? Is the posing of men in book covers really equivalent to the posing of women?

There was, of course, only one way to find out…

Given the number of books out there, you can find a cover to “prove” just about any point. I tried to pick representative examples of romance, paranormal/genre romance, and Conan covers for this post. These covers are all from larger publishers, and with the exception of the Conans, I believe they’re all from relatively recent releases.

I was a bit surprised to see that men do get the head-chopped-off treatment fairly often, as you can see below, though I don’t know that it’s as common as it is with women.

When I tried my first female pose back in January, the first thing I noticed was pain as my muscles protested what I was trying to do to them. By contrast, my first pose here was a piece of cake. While I don’t typically stand around all day with my shirt unbuttoned, the pose above felt relaxed and fairly natural.

The second pose was almost as easy.

Once again, we’ve got a nicely chiseled body (at least on the right), but aside from having to put my right arm back a little further than I wanted, it was a pretty natural pose.

Off-topic, am I the only one who looks at that dude and thinks his belly button is fleeing up his torso?

I did find a book cover that came close to the pose they were talking about in the Tor.com post.

A few thoughts about this one. First off, as noted in the image, if I was a female I’d be expected to keep my butt on display while twisting my spine enough to thrust my breasts at the viewer as well. As a guy, I can just stand there and pretend to look muscular. Also, most of the time when I see women posed like this, the butt and breasts are highlighted. If you look at the cover for Magic Unchained, his butt is mostly in shadow, with text further obscuring it.

Let’s move into “true” romance territory and see what happens…

First of all, I went to all that trouble to don a Snoopy tie, and you can barely even tell! Sigh. And for those thinking, “Wait, didn’t Jim say he doesn’t own a suit?” I don’t. That’s my karate gi.

Anyway, I put this one up because I found a surprising number of covers with fully dressed men. I guess men are allowed to be attractive with their clothes on.

In this case, you’ve got the man holding on to his woman (given his stance and posture, the possessive is intentional), slipping off her dress. The dynamic here is pretty clear, yes?

But let’s get back to the shirtless dudes!

Okay, so this time the woman is fully dressed and the man is topless. But he’s still very much the dominant one, holding his woman to keep her from toppling over backward.

Is anyone else starting to see a pattern here? Men on covers show off the abs, pecs, and arms, but always in a position where they appear powerful.

I couldn’t do romance without at least one classic Fabio cover.

Same thing. Both the man and the woman are showing skin, but the man is the one in control. He’s powerful; she’s helpless in his arms.

I also decided to try a few old-school Conan novels, as these are also mentioned from time to time as examples of objectification of men.

Showing off the body, yes. But in a powerful, I’m-gonna-kick-your-ass-and-feast-on-your-pancreas kind of way. There is a little contortion going on here, trying to show off those pecs, but it’s nowhere near the level of twisting I remember from my female cover poses.

ETA: I can’t believe I missed the, um, “overcompensatory” positioning of Conan’s sword in this one. Teenage me is so disappointed.

This was the first pose that caused some pain, and I didn’t get it quite right. (Though the pain helped me with my barbarian grimace.) I’m still not sure what’s going on with his waist and hips there. But the distortion you get with Conan is matched by the woman clinging to his arm, who is bulging in bad-comic-book proportions as she waits for her man to protect her. I would have tried to do her pose as well, but I suspect doing so would have put me in the hospital.

I did a better job with this next one, though.

As usual, we’ve got the man in an action pose, ready to go after a random bad guy who set his own hand on fire. (Must be a goblin wizard.) Then you have the woman, pretty much equally naked, but helpless and bent to emphasize the butt. Even lying on the floor, this was one of the more painful poses of the photoshoot, in part because I couldn’t use my left hand to support myself, but I had to keep both my torso and butt directed upward..

In Conclusion

  1. Men on book covers are indeed posed shirtless in ways that show off their musculature. However…
  2. Male poses do not generally emphasize sexuality at the expense of all other considerations.
  3. Male poses do emphasize the character’s power and strength in a way many (most?) female cover poses don’t.
  4. When posed with a woman, the man will usually be in the dominant, more powerful posture.
  5. Male poses do not generally require a visit to the chiropractor afterward.
  6. See also ocelott’s post comparing male and female poses. She comes to pretty much the same conclusions as I did.

So are men objectified and sexualized on book covers? Sometimes, sure … but not in the same way, and not, I think, to the same extent. I’ll admit that going through these poses made me feel like I should spend the rest of the day doing push-ups and sit-ups. But overall, to suggest that the posing of men on covers is anywhere near as problematic as the posing of women seems, well, ignorant and wrong.

As before, thank you to my wife Amy for helping me with the poses and taking the pictures.

Comments and discussion are welcome.

Mirrored from Jim C. Hines.

Comments

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theqwillery
Apr. 23rd, 2012 01:41 pm (UTC)
Brilliant. Thank you!
j_cheney
Apr. 23rd, 2012 01:44 pm (UTC)
So which is it? Do you love the bear? Hate the bear? I'm getting mixed messages here...
jimhines
Apr. 23rd, 2012 01:46 pm (UTC)
The bear and I have a very complex relationship. Also, the bear gets really into our S&M role playing...
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jonhansen
Apr. 23rd, 2012 01:46 pm (UTC)
These are awesome, dude.
greyhat
Apr. 23rd, 2012 01:47 pm (UTC)
I think that, aside from the romance covers where the women are simpering gits, the other women's poses also show power. It's just a different kind of power since women have different kinds of bodies. Obviously, they're showing sexual power, and they're using it to sell the book! But a woman in a powerful pose won't show off musculature the way a shirtless man can, so you're unlikely to see physical power in the women's poses. I think the twisting you had to do could be construed as acrobatic power, in the best circumstances. I think that seeing the whole woman's face shows more strength of character and will, while the men's chopped faces leave you with simple muscle power.

I agree that many of the women's poses are ridiculous and sex-based, but we're unlikely to find visual portrayals of women who are as muscular/physically strong as men. It would be nice to see the same women showing either their fronts or their backs, but not both at the same time. It would also be nice to see the men's faces - I think a shirtless, anonymous man is just as objectifying as an offensively posed woman.

Thanks for your unique contributions and analysis to these ubiquitous annoyances!
saya22
Apr. 23rd, 2012 01:52 pm (UTC)
we're unlikely to find visual portrayals of women who are as muscular/physically strong as men.

Which is why Korra of The Legend of Korra is AMAZING. A strong female lead with muscular and buffed body?? Hell yes!
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saya22
Apr. 23rd, 2012 01:49 pm (UTC)
I think there's a whole essay on how idealization =/= objectification. Guess which applies to which gender, and guess which is more harmful.

Brilliant poses Jim! (as usual =))
jimhines
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:06 pm (UTC)
Do you know if it's available online? I would lI've to read that essay!
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mariness
Apr. 23rd, 2012 01:51 pm (UTC)
Tell me someone else reading this thought, oooh, I want that teddy bear.

...me, taking the wrong lessons from the internet since 1998.
spherissa
Apr. 23rd, 2012 08:31 pm (UTC)
I want that teddy bear too.
sartorias
Apr. 23rd, 2012 01:59 pm (UTC)
These are a crackup!
snurri
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:03 pm (UTC)
Off-topic, am I the only one who looks at that dude and thinks his belly button is fleeing up his torso?

You are not. Your navel is far more heroic. (As are you, for doing this (again), and keeping a straight face during it.)
jimhines
Apr. 23rd, 2012 07:52 pm (UTC)
That's why I didn't post the outtakes :-)
anagramofbrat
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:10 pm (UTC)
I love how you manage hilarious and thought provoking all at once. And I also want that teddy bear, he looks very fluffy and huggable.
lignota
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:25 pm (UTC)
Off-topic: your icon is hypnotic. :-)
rosefiend
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:14 pm (UTC)
This whole post is 24 kinds of awesome.
princejvstin
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:22 pm (UTC)
And I snort tea out of my nose reading the captions.

As said above, brilliant, Jim!
andrian6
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:24 pm (UTC)
You, sir, have more courage than sense and I applaud you for it.
imeldaevans.wordpress.com
Apr. 23rd, 2012 10:06 pm (UTC)
Yes! What he said! Applauding like crazy over here! Also, just quietly, yes, what is up with that guy's bellybutton?
lignota
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:24 pm (UTC)
AWESOME.
talktoyouniverse.blogspot.com
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:25 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much for doing this! The poses are great, and the commentary even better. The bear is a classic.
bearmountain
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:28 pm (UTC)
I haven't laughed so hard in a long time...
bearmountain
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:31 pm (UTC)
P.S. Jim--Can I used that first shot for one of my book covers???? Woowoo!!!
skiriki
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:28 pm (UTC)
I laughed until it began to hurt. Good show! So true too. :D
peachtales
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:28 pm (UTC)
*snortgigglebwuahahaha*

Ahem. Excellent photos, astute observations. I love the captions on your covers, most especially "Psst Dude... Pull Up Your Pants".
In addition, the way you're carrying on with the bear is simply scandalous (in a good way)! :D
sksperry
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:29 pm (UTC)
Love the Batman sippy cup in place of the goblet. :)
jimhines
Apr. 23rd, 2012 07:53 pm (UTC)
Thanks! I was rather pleased with that touch :-)
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_ocelott_
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:29 pm (UTC)
Comparison post is fantastic, Jim. Bet you don't feel like visiting the chiropractor this morning! Your book titles just about killed me.

The husband and I actually did a few romance novel covers with the roles reversed. It was pretty interesting, although utterly lacking in fuzzy bear.
fantasyecho
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:31 pm (UTC)
JIMHINES/BEAR 4 LYFE
eleryth
Apr. 23rd, 2012 03:11 pm (UTC)
JIMHINES/BEAR OTP! <3

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reedrover
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:40 pm (UTC)
I'm stuck in an all-day meeting... Thank you for testing my self-control and facial expressions. That was an interesting exercise.

And to the point of your essay - thank you for including both romance and classic Conan. But what I would find interesting would be a side by side of recent releases from popular series. Compare Laurell Hamilton to Jim Butcher, for example.
inaurolillium
Apr. 23rd, 2012 08:32 pm (UTC)
This! This! PLEASE!
mtlawson
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:40 pm (UTC)
So, Jim, were you objectifying yourself in that Jim the Photoshopped cover? ;-)

And that first cover is about the closest you'll come to looking like The Situation from Jersey Shore. Thankfully.
DyadicEchoes
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:41 pm (UTC)
Epic poses! That's so awesome! :D
stakebait
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:41 pm (UTC)
I adore your captions and agree with your conclusions, but I think it's worth calling out the phallic sword positioning on Conan the Unconquered. I can't think of anything on the female covers that was quite as blatant.
chamekke
Apr. 23rd, 2012 03:17 pm (UTC)
You may have a point, there.
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scarlettina
Apr. 23rd, 2012 02:41 pm (UTC)
Brilliant, Jim. Truly, you are a hero in the classic sense. :-) Also? You're right on point and make your arguments beautifully. Well done!
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