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Possible Fundraiser…

It started with a tweet asking me to do this pose.

Then Charlie Jane Anders offered to pay $5 toward my chiropractor fees if I did it.

Charlie Finlay pledged $5 for the implants I’d need to pull it off.

Tehani Wessely said she’d chip in as well.

I felt like such a fool! All these years, I’ve been going to work like a sucker, when I could have been posing for profit!

And then I thought about it a bit more, wondering how many people would actually pay money to see me do painful cover poses.

Or better yet, how many people would contribute to a worthy cause for such a show?

So now I’m seriously considering holding the First Annual Cover Pose Fundraiser. There are several good causes I’m thinking about right now. I’d pick one and ask people to donate. The more money we raise, the more poses I do. Maybe one additional cover for every $100 up to a thousand dollars. Then maybe every $200. I don’t have all the details worked out yet.

But wait, you cry. Which covers would you do? Therein lies the best part, my friends. I’d let the biggest donors each pick one. Thus encouraging even more generosity toward Good Causes. (Depending on the number of covers I ended up with, I’d probably do a few random drawings from the donors as well so that everyone has a shot at picking covers.)

My biggest concern is the tone of the whole thing. Offering to do ridiculous poses, even to raise money for a good cause, could come off as rather distasteful depending on the cause. On the other hand, I think I could probably frame and present it in such a way that it wouldn’t seem belittling to the cause in question, if that makes sense.

What do you think?

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Oct. 4th, 2012 01:40 pm (UTC)
Well it sounds great to me!
Oct. 4th, 2012 01:43 pm (UTC)
Sounds like a great idea!
Oct. 4th, 2012 01:50 pm (UTC)
Well, people have half their heads shaved, and sit in bathtubs of baked beans and all sorts of stunts for charity. And no-one over here, at least, seems to do anything but be amused and donate. So I'm in favour.
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Oct. 4th, 2012 01:58 pm (UTC)
Count me in! There's nothing wrong with doing silly stuff for a good cause.
Oct. 4th, 2012 02:21 pm (UTC)
What a wonderful, hilarious idea!

(Would $100 cover recuperation costs from some of the more extreme illustrations, though?)
Oct. 4th, 2012 02:36 pm (UTC)
I'm hoping my brother-in-law might be willing to donate some pro-bono chiropractic services :-)
Oct. 4th, 2012 02:23 pm (UTC)
I think it's a festive and fun thing to do, and while I'm financially strapped, I am unencumbered by any sense of shame, so I would be happy to attempt any poses that pose an unreasonable risk to your spinal well-being (though I am also a balding, fortyish guy, it's unlikely anyone would mistake us for twins unless they'd been drinking and dropped their glasses)
Oct. 4th, 2012 02:39 pm (UTC)
I think it's a great idea! I can't wait to see the covers!

As for your concerns about maybe negative vibes, perhaps it would help to remember (everyone) the delicate pin-prick of mockery is aimed at the ridiculous poses artists contort characters into, not at any group or kind of *real* person? Just a thought.
Oct. 4th, 2012 02:47 pm (UTC)
I don't see how this could be offensive, except maybe to the people who made those silly covers in the first place.

I'm guessing even they will recognize what a good idea this is.
Oct. 4th, 2012 02:49 pm (UTC)

You could do it a la a Kickstarter campaign:

$25 gets you a signed glossy photo of your favorite cover pose
$100 gets you a choice of cover pose

etc etc.
Oct. 4th, 2012 02:52 pm (UTC)
I think it's a great idea! If I had some disposable income, I'd happily dispose of it this way.
Oct. 4th, 2012 02:57 pm (UTC)
Is there a fund out there that covers artists and/or writers' health care costs for emergencies? That would be a great charity, and would put emphasis on the physical issues you suffer doing these poses.

You could make this in the form of a many-item auction, too. Invite authors to put up their own covers and bodies "for bid" as well as you doing any random challenges. For example, have Seanan McGuire offer to do the cover from Discount Armageddon if and only if the donations reach $X amount of money for that specific auction. And another pot would have John Ringo offering to do his cover for Sister Time if the donations for that specific auction reach $K.

Or you could have, say, John Scalzi offer to do a "pose-off" with you as a challenge. For every $Y dollars donated, the one of you will throw down a challenge to the other. To get the money rolling, put out the first challenge cover and say "When we reach $Y, John has to pose this." And when $Y is reached, John posts a cover art and says "When we reach $Y+Y, Jim has to pose this!"
Oct. 4th, 2012 04:34 pm (UTC)
I love your ideas!
(no subject) - rachelmanija - Oct. 4th, 2012 06:14 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - jimhines - Oct. 5th, 2012 12:46 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - marycatelli - Oct. 5th, 2012 12:53 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - slhuang - Oct. 5th, 2012 02:00 am (UTC) - Expand
Oct. 4th, 2012 03:08 pm (UTC)
I think it's an awesome idea.
Oct. 4th, 2012 03:19 pm (UTC)
Does that first pose mentioned include a wig? :-)
Oct. 4th, 2012 03:59 pm (UTC)
I don't see anyone offended at the poses you've done thus far and I know plenty of people appreciate the publicity it draws to the stupidity of posing women this way.

It's your body. Do what you want with it. Raising money and awareness sounds like a good use of one's physicality to me.
Oct. 4th, 2012 04:22 pm (UTC)
Fabulous idea! And we all have confidence in your framing skills. I say go for it :-)
Oct. 4th, 2012 04:33 pm (UTC)
You've already become known as they guy who does ridiculous cover poses to make a point about how women are sexualized and portrayed unrealistically. That background and context would ameliorate most potential distastefulness, I think.

The irony might be too heavy for causes dealing with certain medical conditions ("Hey, scoliosis sufferers, this able-bodied guy is contorting for you!"), but if handled with humor and acknowledgement of the irony, you would probably be okay.

You have a lot of social capital, Jim. That's the real factor determining how people react to something. People know you, and your history and pattern of behavior and beliefs. Context is important.
Oct. 4th, 2012 04:46 pm (UTC)
I've seen kiss-a-thons, so this wouldn't be anything like the most ridiculous thing done to raise money for a good cause.

Anyone who knows your history would know that the cover poses are both funny and a serious commentary on the sexism of our field. The question is whether it would read well to people who aren't familiar with your long history of activism and the context surrounding the poses. I think any cause that is fannish, gender-ish or queer-ish in nature would probably be fine: AIDs fundraisers, for example, have a long history of involving whatever fun or joyous things we can imagine.
Something like Greenpeace would seem less tasteful, because it doesn't have anything to do with the issue the covers are a commentary upon. At that point, it becomes more exploiting-this-to-benefit-that. Something that was personally relevant to you would make this more about the fans supporting you, whereas something related to the community producing these ridiculous covers would make the whole thing about the community. I doubt anyone would begrudge either of the latter two.
Oct. 4th, 2012 04:47 pm (UTC)
If you go with it, I say carry on with what originally started the idea -- something with how women's poses are unrealistic. So find a fund that supports women. It might be in bad taste for me to say this, but perhaps something that deals in the trafficking of women for sexual prostitution or abuse. Even a charity that is about girl empowerment or education could be good, to help promote women to their own ideals and freedoms. Not sure, but there's a lot of choices. And a lot of under funded groups.

I think you'd have a lot of support no matter which way you choose to go. As someone else stated, people raise money for all sorts of things. Just, be aware how much work setting things up is or get someone else to do it. >.> Just my two cents.
Oct. 4th, 2012 06:05 pm (UTC)
I agree that the cause should be something that promotes or helps women.

If you're worried about tone, you could choose a cause that's a little less heavy and intense, like causes that promote education for girls, as gypsy_owl suggested (maybe even particularly science education, as many of these covers seem to come from genre fiction?). Or you could make the contribution to a group you believe in that promotes feminist activism on all fronts.

But I don't think you'd run into trouble even if you picked something a little heavier, like fighting domestic violence or supporting women's shelters. You tend to frame things in impeccably good taste and I find it hard to believe you would accidentally make some hugely distasteful misstep here. After all, the original series you wrote was never about celebrating the sexism of those covers, but about providing commentary and criticism on them in a humorous way. It would be different if you were trying to do a series of sexy women literally modelling the poses in a sexy way in a "straight" representation of the covers and wanted to use THAT as a fundraiser for, say, a women's rights cause -- that, I think, would have some problems with it. But that's the opposite of what you'd be doing.
(no subject) - rachelmanija - Oct. 4th, 2012 06:11 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - nonnycat - Oct. 5th, 2012 08:34 am (UTC) - Expand
Oct. 4th, 2012 05:11 pm (UTC)
Just one question -- who would you get to do the aerial wires for that first pose? :-)

Seriously, I think that's a great idea. And you could even produce a POD book of the complete set for a really large donation!
Oct. 8th, 2012 08:58 pm (UTC)
Or a pin-up calender!
Oct. 4th, 2012 05:23 pm (UTC)
First, since tossing yourself off a building in order to achieve the "in flight" movement would not be the best first choice in doing that pose, make sure your wife has her under-water camera ready as you dive in deep. (And the pose may not be that difficult to achieve.)

Second, a challenge like this might spur on some artists to create a "pose" for you to attempt ... danger, danger.
Oct. 4th, 2012 05:46 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure where you live, but if it's reasonably near Southern California (or if you occasionally travel to Southern California) I might be able to hook you up with the wire rigging you'd need for that pose.

(Can't make any promises, as I don't have the gear/facilities myself, but I know a good number of people who do, and I might in fact know a critical mass of them well enough to ask for a favor, especially if it's for a good cause!)

PM me if you're interested.

Oh, and I think the fundraiser is a great idea.
Oct. 5th, 2012 12:46 am (UTC)
I'm in Michigan, but I appreciate the offer. If I was closer, that would be a blast!
(no subject) - slhuang - Oct. 5th, 2012 01:53 am (UTC) - Expand
Oct. 4th, 2012 06:02 pm (UTC)
*giggle* I wondered if that tweet was going to get something started. :) I tweeted I'd like to see that pose as well. And I would gladly contribute to a fundraising campaign.
Oct. 5th, 2012 12:45 am (UTC)
It's scary the things a single Tweet can start in motion :-)
Oct. 4th, 2012 06:09 pm (UTC)
I would chip in $5 to see you do the one you linked.
Oct. 4th, 2012 07:21 pm (UTC)
I think this is a lovely idea and would absolutely contribute. I like some of the kickstarter ideas mentioned above too:)

Many people above have said it, but I echo them; we're all well aware that this is bringing light to the awful sexualisation and objectification of women, not encouraging it, so I don't think it could possibly be taken as offensive?

(Also, ok, I TOTALLY second the commenter above who suggested a pose off between you and Scalzi.)
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