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harvey_rrit
Apr. 1st, 2015 01:15 pm (UTC)
Has nobody yet complained that the font this is printed in is too straight and insufficiently black? (I mean, it's almost all white. It's as if the black parts were just there to contrast with the white.)
rhoda_rants
Apr. 1st, 2015 03:14 pm (UTC)
Homophobia is wrong and should never be supported or enabled, unless the culprits are Orson Scott Card or Chuck Dixon or Steve Moffat. Then the goalpost is shifted to “can we separate the artist from their art?”

This. Although I don't actually know who Chuck Dixon is...
lenora_rose
Apr. 1st, 2015 03:32 pm (UTC)
This is a difficult one for me, because Mr. Upkins is right - but so are the people who point out that virtually everything is problematic, and rejecting all problematic content often leaves one with a narrow sliver of people to read. So the question is often where to draw the line. (OSC is past it.)

What I think needs to be acknowledged more, though is that people want to say they're judging based on objective criteria exactly where homophobia in an artist or work goes from "Problematic but the work around that issue stands up." to "Bigot. Reject."

And they're not. *We're* not.

We're basing it on how much we like having the thing in our life, and it means we can be hurting people for our own nostalgia.

Which gives even more food for thought.

Meanwhile, I need to check Mr. Upkins' books out sometime.
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dionysus1999
Apr. 1st, 2015 03:32 pm (UTC)
Reminds me that the world needs a more diverse range of superheroes. And no more "Black" so and so, man that's annoying, like you can't tell the character has African ancestry without it.
starcat_jewel
Apr. 2nd, 2015 04:38 am (UTC)
Okay, this sounds like a good place for me to push PolyChrome Heroics, a crowd-funded series of superhero stories and poems with a wide variety of diverse characters (both main and incidental), written by ysabetwordsmith.

The stories take place in an AU-Earth in which the development of superpowers is, while still not exactly common, not rare either. People with superpowers are called "soups", and most of them are neither pure heroes nor pure villains. There's a lot of anti-soup prejudice, but also a lot of people fighting against it. I found this last year and fell in love with it, and I suspect a lot of people here would as well.
mt_yvr
Apr. 1st, 2015 04:29 pm (UTC)
There are days when I don't mind championing the causes I apparently represent in the world by existing. Other days : it's your own damned issue that YOU don't like ME, so deal on your own. I reserve the right as a gay white man who's HIV positive to NOT educate you on anything you think falls under the purview of any of that, from time to time. So sometimes I'm gonna write a character that is just a character and not a placard carrying, chant writing, firebrand of social justice.

Because when it's outlined like that it ends up showing me that people who aren't effected directly want it change but want the people living it to be the instrument of that change for them. Which tends to make me think it's a continuation of the privilege spectrum. But then that's me.
akiko
Apr. 1st, 2015 05:15 pm (UTC)
The word "cretin" is ableist. If you publish this in an anthology, can you please edit it out?
klwilliams
Apr. 1st, 2015 06:48 pm (UTC)
The decision about not having gay characters in the Civil War anthology wasn't the anthologist's choice, it was the publisher's.
jimhines
Apr. 1st, 2015 07:15 pm (UTC)
Can I ask what information this comment is based on?
klwilliams
Apr. 1st, 2015 07:23 pm (UTC)
My husband had a story in the anthology, and had this same conversation with the anthologist, where Steve explained it was not his choice but the publisher's. Since Steve owns Lethe Press, where he edits anthologies by gay writers about gay people, I don't really think he's homophobic.
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matt_cresswell
Apr. 3rd, 2015 06:13 pm (UTC)
Lethe/Tincture
I know nothing specific about the conflict in question re: the Civil War Anthology, but I do think the fact that Lethe operates Tincture, an imprint entirely dedicated to novels featuring gay characters of colour, should probably go a long way to stand against anecdotal accusation. There aren't many other LGBT presses out there doing the same thing...
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bookblather
Apr. 2nd, 2015 02:06 am (UTC)
God, yes, this. I ID as an asexual lesbian, and it's absolutely astonishing how many people will complain when I write somebody like me (either she's not ace because she's a lesbian or vice versa) and how many more people will complain when I don't write somebody like me (how dare you not focus every single story on what you personally have experienced). It's exhausting.
finnyb
Apr. 2nd, 2015 03:37 am (UTC)

*blink*


I'm not the only person who identifies as an asexual lesbian?


Well, actually an asexual lesbian who married a guy, because I fell in love with him, not his gender.  For me, you see, sex, which I have no interest in whatsoever, attraction, which for me is solely to females, and love, which for me is about everything but sex and attraction, are three different, and unconnected, things.


And wow, is that quite the sentence!  I hope it makes sense.  Feel free to request any clarifications.

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marlowe1
Apr. 3rd, 2015 07:03 pm (UTC)
"I had the privilege of having a bigoted Lethe Press publisher invite me to submit to a Civil War anthology, only to be instructed that I am not allowed to include gay characters because the anthology needed to appeal to a mainstream cis heterosexual audience."

Yeah. That's bullshit. Just pure and utter bullshit.

Whatever this guy has with Steve Berman, he should say it instead of making up stories that are obvious bullshit.
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